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hello and welcome to the show I'm Martin

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Wilshire host and guess what this is

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show number 400 yes 400 shows I would

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have never believed it

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our guest tonight is PJ Hughes and we're

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going to be talking about the USS Nimitz

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encounter I actually had PJ picked a

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couple of random numbers for our 400 the

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show celebration and because I'm going

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to be let me put this up on the screen

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I'm going to be giving away a couple of

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things first of all this is for callers

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that is so I had to pick a couple of

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random numbers between 1 and 6 between 1

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and 8 that is for callers that call in

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to the show and then the first one will

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get this t-shirt and the next one is

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going to get a work that my sister Heidi

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powers she's probably even in the chat

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room I don't know she did this so that

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will be going out to another random

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caller the second random caller:thank I

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want to thank everyone for supporting

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this show I couldn't do it without you

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matter of fact I think this is the only

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thing I'm doing these days just this

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show so I really do appreciate your help

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and anyone can support the show we're

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over at patreon that links on the

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website podcast UFO calm and you want to

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check out our blogs over there anyway we

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have some great blogs by charles lear we

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have the t-shirts that i just showed up

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on youtube available and other

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merchandise available and this week this

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week's vlog is on a pro ufos and the

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aerial phenomena research organization a

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great blog on that alright about our

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guests PJ or Patrick Hughes PJ Hughes he

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served in the Navy as an aviation

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electronics technician primary on the

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e-2c Hawkeye and the seat

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a greyhound airframes he left the Navy

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in September of 2010 as a first class

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petty officer to work on the civilian

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side of military which generally happens

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it seems and he's employed as a

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and E to Hawkeye

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now as I was talking to PJ off-air a lot

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of people are new listeners and they

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have absolutely no idea when we're

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talking about the USS Nimitz I know at

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least a couple of people that are

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listening tonight that have no idea what

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it is so just briefly the incident was a

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radar and visual encounter of

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unidentified flying object or objects

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while the radar was definitely of lots

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of objects u.s. fighter pilot of the

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Nimitz Carrier Strike Group in 2004 two

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commander of a strike force fighter

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squadron 41 communicated that they saw a

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flying object and this is where the tic

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tac comes from because it was a about

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the size of the aircraft around 40 feet

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there's differing remarks on that as

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into some other thing we can't even

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imagine but anyway I'm not really sure

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what those objects were and that's what

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we're going to talk about tonight PJ

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actually had I think a pseudonym

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pseudonym friend named Roger that was a

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witness that he himself can't come

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forward but there is some involvement PJ

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had in regards to bricks that were taken

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away we're going to be talking about all

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that and much more

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the last part of the show will be taking

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calls so of course that's your chance to

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get a free t-shirt and artwork so I'm

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going to start and say hello to you PJ

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how are you welcome to the show I'm good

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how about yourself

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great I think it was up just about a

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year ago you were on with some other I

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think Dave Beatty and Jason Turner Jason

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Turner that's right

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yeah so you were on then so is about a

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year and since that time you have

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thought a lot about this whole situation

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conversation is you like things fact

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base fact-based and and you know that

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this incident is definitely fact-based

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for what a lot of facts a lot of strange

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facts so why don't you if you would

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first if you would tell your part of the

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story without Roger I mean they're still

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these he's a data brick so they're like

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hard drives right yeah they're they're

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about this big they're actually computer

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airplane they run everything they run

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aircraft and we they're classified

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airplanes we take them in and out per

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flight they get mixed up so we're able

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to track them and a particular day where

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the intercepts happened with commander

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favor and the involvement with the

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a video recording like the FLIR video

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that you saw it's recording the tracks

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link data and it's all consolidated and

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recorded on those bricks and when the

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plane came back

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those bricks out of the airplane we put

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them in our safe like we normally do 15

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20 minutes give or take no that time

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line berries cuz a long time ago now but

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shortly after that plane returned my

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commanding officer numerous times but it

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guy different position because right

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as a commanding officer so that's where

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my confusion closed yes but he shows up

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at my door with two guys in Air Force

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flight suits which is not normal because

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you don't really see them on the ship

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know about him

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ship the only logical way they got to

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the ship was by helicopter because

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not have seen them because the only

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other way out is by Cod and I would have

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seen him on that that's the other

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airplane I work on and he asked me

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somebody my executive officer asked me

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for the bricks that were on that flight

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go across the ship to him he doesn't

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come to us mm-hmm so we take him out of

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the safe you know we have logbooks that

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we track of where they are what planes

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they were going and I start to flog the

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bricks out to him which we have done on

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other occasions to to various officers

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to stop what don't rely to math so yes I

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you last time why why would that mean

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would that be that is there any normal

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this for some odd reason that did not

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want to track that stuff which is you

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his responsibility even though it's my

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technician and somebody with the

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clearance no definitely all falls on him

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so I have to assume that above my head

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papé work was done that somewhere above

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my head they did the tracking paper

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working and they did the you know the

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custody sheets and all the other stuff

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that they have to do so oh yeah but well

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anyway go ahead and continue sorry for

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the interruption there I said they they

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took my stuff and left and that was for

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the longest time the last I had ever

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heard of it but there's some news on

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where those bricks went afterwards that

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I have given the answer to since all

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this happened all the data and I've

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separated is what data I think they were

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looking for specifically I think they

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were looking for the ESM data which is

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essentially a passive dissection system

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it listens for frequencies among other

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things and I'm pretty sure that's the

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data they wanted because that's the data

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that's unique to my airplane the the

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Princeton wouldn't have it the you know

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Nimitz wouldn't have it none of the

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fighters would have it so that's the own

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data that was unique and it can tell a

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lot about what those objects were if

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they were transmitting or emitting

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frequencies or any of that but all that

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data was taken compiled by somebody I

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don't know who that somebody is and they

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were used to brief high-level people at

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the Pentagon a couple months ago a

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Freedom of Information request act

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response came out and the memo actually

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mentioned briefing slides that were

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classified and I'm sure they're one of

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the same how about that and yeah you how

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I know this yet I can't reveal who told

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me yeah but I highly trust and I highly

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believe the person who told me yeah so

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people know now let's talk a little bit

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about what the Hawkeye

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is that is basically above an operation

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and kind of like looking out if the eyes

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it's the eyes of the operation or I

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heard someone say the quarterback so to

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speak of that that is my favorite

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analogy it's a quarter back of the air

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wing because they don't do anything

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without a hot guy you know we direct the

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mission we direct the fighters if you

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recall Dave babies awesome documentary

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you know I have to hit him up every time

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I can because I wouldn't be here for him

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he actually mentions in that video and

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Kevin day has mentioned it also that the

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Princeton requested control of flavors

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aircraft and his wingman from the

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Hawkeye because the Hawkeye was up there

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to control the air defense exercises

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that they were supposed to participate

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in you know they they do everything yeah

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I am for the people on YouTube I'm gonna

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play a clip for a while on it's actually

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Gabe eighties clip and I did try to get

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permission from him I didn't hear back

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so I'm gonna ask for forgiveness if it's

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not good but anyway so that Clips

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playing for a while up in YouTube and

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that is a great really great video that

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Dave Beatty did so his research yeah

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yeah he did a really nice job on that so

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just let me ask you about again about

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the Hawkeye couldn't that it just seems

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like that that plane or whatever you

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want to call it could be just a sitting

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duck during a real wartime

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you know situation is it the the Hawkeye

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in sitting duck it has no defensive

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weapons if somebody managed to get close

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enough to shoot at it it can't even fly

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out of its own way it's not a fast air

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claim um normally its operating in an

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area where f-18s can get to it rather

278
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quickly I see oh it's never up in the

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air by itself yeah

280
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and how what is the altitude that

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generally flies that is that classified

282
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um

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thirty thousand feet or so depending on

284
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yeah so what's the way up there yeah

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yeah know that the higher it gets the

286
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fur

287
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you see I see well and very interesting

288
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and so you you when this thing landed it

289
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was your it was basically your job once

290
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they so to speak parked the plane or

291
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whatever they do wherever wherever it's

292
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supposed to be that's when you basically

293
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jump on board and grab these bricks is

294
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that am I saying how that goes

295
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that's pretty accurate I mean we're up

296
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there before the plane even lands

297
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because we have to chain it down and do

298
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all kinds other stuff to it and part of

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our post flight procedure is pulling

300
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those bricks among making sure

301
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everything got turned off we didn't lose

302
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anything nothing got broke in you know

303
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so it's we're up there for a good you

304
00:14:24,100 --> 00:14:20,690
know 10 15 minutes before we take our

305
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stuff down I see now on those bricks in

306
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particular can you do those get

307
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reformatted just for a lack of you know

308
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I don't know what you would call it

309
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there is there machines that we use to

310
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maintain those because we had six per

311
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airplane probably 30 something of those

312
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stupid little hard drives yeah because

313
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there was a high failure rate so we were

314
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changing them off and and there's a lot

315
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of data for other stuff that we had to

316
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change out on those all the time and the

317
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easiest way to do it was to just make a

318
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copy of everything over and over and

319
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over again instead of trying to load

320
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them all individually

321
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so they got rewritten quite often I see

322
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yeah all right so did you when those

323
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things were your commanding officer or

324
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whoever you said he was I know when he

325
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came to you with those two other of

326
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those two other officers probably Air

327
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Force maybe they were there's a distinct

328
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difference between an Air Force flight

329
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suit and a navy flight suit yeah you

330
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know you can tell the difference the

331
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insignia is different the patches are

332
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different the placement is different and

333
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we're talking boot camp to recognize

334
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that so I know for a fact they were Air

335
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Force guys okay or guys wearing airports

336
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light suits I see so your commanding

337
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officer or that person made no excuses

338
00:15:52,780 --> 00:15:51,650
he said you know we just got to have

339
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these and that's

340
00:15:56,110 --> 00:15:54,380
right I mean never really got into it

341
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did he tell you not to say anything

342
00:16:04,150 --> 00:15:59,540
about it um no we were never directly

343
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told to not say anything as far as they

344
00:16:09,340 --> 00:16:06,530
were concerned we didn't know anything

345
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to say yeah you know he just took our

346
00:16:16,090 --> 00:16:12,320
stuff that was it you know now there

347
00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:16,100
what about I heard someone say that on

348
00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:18,890
the next day on the little newspaper

349
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that goes around that they were teasing

350
00:16:28,630 --> 00:16:23,570
David flavour by having you know an

351
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alien or something along those lines so

352
00:16:31,330 --> 00:16:30,290
did you hear about the what I'm getting

353
00:16:35,650 --> 00:16:31,340
at is did you hear about the incident

354
00:16:38,380 --> 00:16:35,660
right away um I heard a beginning

355
00:16:40,770 --> 00:16:38,390
portion of it from the individual we

356
00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:40,780
call Roger when he came back to our shop

357
00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:42,890
before we were told to stop talking

358
00:16:46,510 --> 00:16:43,490
about it

359
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not officially just we were told to shut

360
00:16:56,170 --> 00:16:53,020
so yeah and that was that the same the

361
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same day or or shortly after shortly I

362
00:17:05,620 --> 00:17:03,440
could yeah the the air plan which is all

363
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the flight schedules for the entire air

364
00:17:08,500 --> 00:17:07,100
wing and everything they have that

365
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cartoon on everyone

366
00:17:13,900 --> 00:17:12,320
and it's a very cartoon horrible artwork

367
00:17:16,180 --> 00:17:13,910
a lot of the times whatever random

368
00:17:18,870 --> 00:17:16,190
person happened to have the closest art

369
00:17:21,579 --> 00:17:18,880
skills for the day and they make fun of

370
00:17:22,870 --> 00:17:21,589
everyone in the air wing if there's

371
00:17:25,180 --> 00:17:22,880
somebody in the air wing did something

372
00:17:27,939 --> 00:17:25,190
dumb yeah they got that's just what that

373
00:17:32,460 --> 00:17:27,949
was for you know when and the favor came

374
00:17:34,750 --> 00:17:32,470
back and made no secret of what he saw

375
00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:34,760
they let him have it

376
00:17:40,810 --> 00:17:37,850
they were playing men in black and other

377
00:17:43,360 --> 00:17:40,820
area movies on the ships television you

378
00:17:47,980 --> 00:17:43,370
know though the officers made a big joke

379
00:17:49,990 --> 00:17:47,990
about it yeah now here here's a question

380
00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:50,000
I just showed on video

381
00:17:58,390 --> 00:17:55,610
the Hawkeye taking off here's the

382
00:17:59,860 --> 00:17:58,400
question I have for you why this Roger

383
00:18:04,450 --> 00:17:59,870
we're going to be talking about Roger

384
00:18:06,050 --> 00:18:04,460
but why was Roger told not to talk about

385
00:18:08,990 --> 00:18:06,060
it yet

386
00:18:13,010 --> 00:18:09,000
David flavor can speak about it

387
00:18:15,110 --> 00:18:13,020
I like the commander I do not know the

388
00:18:16,970 --> 00:18:15,120
official reason for any of that I can

389
00:18:19,670 --> 00:18:16,980
tell you what I've been told and what I

390
00:18:21,890 --> 00:18:19,680
know the five guys on the Hawkeye when

391
00:18:23,990 --> 00:18:21,900
they got back went into a skiff which is

392
00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:24,000
a centralized information facility it's

393
00:18:27,380 --> 00:18:25,170
basically a room where you can't hear

394
00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:27,390
anybody on the inside you know it's

395
00:18:31,550 --> 00:18:28,770
soundproof you know they can talk about

396
00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:31,560
classified stuff openly they went in

397
00:18:34,910 --> 00:18:33,690
there to take a debrief with somebody I

398
00:18:38,510 --> 00:18:34,920
don't know who that somebody is

399
00:18:40,490 --> 00:18:38,520
and that debrief during that debrief

400
00:18:44,390 --> 00:18:40,500
they signed non-disclosure agreements

401
00:18:45,740 --> 00:18:44,400
and we're told obviously because of

402
00:18:50,390 --> 00:18:45,750
those non-disclosure agreements not to

403
00:18:54,140 --> 00:18:50,400
say anything and I believe it has a lot

404
00:18:56,540 --> 00:18:54,150
to do with what they would have seen on

405
00:18:59,120 --> 00:18:56,550
the displays on the scopes

406
00:19:01,370 --> 00:18:59,130
what our systems told them was there and

407
00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:01,380
the fact that they were almost

408
00:19:07,190 --> 00:19:04,170
point-blank range with that object it's

409
00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:07,200
not a highly publicized fact because

410
00:19:13,190 --> 00:19:10,970
there's no video or photos but the

411
00:19:16,910 --> 00:19:13,200
object the tic-tock object actually

412
00:19:19,370 --> 00:19:16,920
formed up with the Hawkeye and was now

413
00:19:21,530 --> 00:19:19,380
with almost wingtip to wingtip if it had

414
00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:21,540
a wings now it was close enough for them

415
00:19:27,230 --> 00:19:22,770
to get a damn good look at it

416
00:19:30,380 --> 00:19:27,240
well now has Roger ever mentioned that

417
00:19:32,810 --> 00:19:30,390
there was any fear involved with the you

418
00:19:33,290 --> 00:19:32,820
know possibly attacking or something

419
00:19:36,290 --> 00:19:33,300
like that

420
00:19:38,630 --> 00:19:36,300
not necessarily UFO but unless to know

421
00:19:41,540 --> 00:19:38,640
if it was fear of being attacked but

422
00:19:43,370 --> 00:19:41,550
Roger loves to fly it didn't matter what

423
00:19:47,030 --> 00:19:43,380
he was flying for he had a smile on his

424
00:19:49,610 --> 00:19:47,040
face he came back he did not have that

425
00:19:52,030 --> 00:19:49,620
smile on the face well he was

426
00:19:54,710 --> 00:19:52,040
uncomfortable he was nervous he did not

427
00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:54,720
you know he couldn't elaborate on

428
00:19:59,240 --> 00:19:56,970
everything obviously that happened but

429
00:20:01,520 --> 00:19:59,250
you know he was definitely visibly

430
00:20:03,380 --> 00:20:01,530
uncomfortable when he does this and it's

431
00:20:07,100 --> 00:20:03,390
for that reason that object wanted to do

432
00:20:10,100 --> 00:20:07,110
something they had nothing to stop it

433
00:20:14,570 --> 00:20:10,110
yeah yeah that's right

434
00:20:16,430 --> 00:20:14,580
I had dr. Kevin Knuth on a while back

435
00:20:18,650 --> 00:20:16,440
and he was talking about the physics of

436
00:20:19,860 --> 00:20:18,660
these things which is absolutely

437
00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:19,870
incredible

438
00:20:25,799 --> 00:20:23,050
and I know that you and I connected

439
00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:25,809
because I got ahold of you when I saw

440
00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:28,690
something you you wrote I believe on

441
00:20:36,540 --> 00:20:32,730
Facebook that you are thinking that

442
00:20:43,650 --> 00:20:36,550
these are possibly something explainable

443
00:20:46,020 --> 00:20:43,660
or possibly our tech I've I've almost

444
00:20:49,049 --> 00:20:46,030
inside gone public with if I've been

445
00:20:50,940 --> 00:20:49,059
pretty close to 50/50 on it being

446
00:20:54,870 --> 00:20:50,950
something off our world very being our

447
00:20:57,600 --> 00:20:54,880
tech I know about stuff that the average

448
00:20:59,970 --> 00:20:57,610
person doesn't know techniques our

449
00:21:03,030 --> 00:20:59,980
equipment and tactics and capabilities

450
00:21:05,669 --> 00:21:03,040
that we have that most people don't know

451
00:21:07,620 --> 00:21:05,679
about and if there's stuff I know about

452
00:21:08,100 --> 00:21:07,630
that the average person doesn't know

453
00:21:10,710 --> 00:21:08,110
about

454
00:21:12,180 --> 00:21:10,720
I fully believe there's a ton of stuff I

455
00:21:16,710 --> 00:21:12,190
don't know about I know for a fact

456
00:21:18,390 --> 00:21:16,720
there's stuff I don't know about so it's

457
00:21:21,180 --> 00:21:18,400
not out of the realm of possibilities

458
00:21:25,169 --> 00:21:21,190
for at least in my eyes for it to be our

459
00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:25,179
technology but it's in that spot where

460
00:21:28,980 --> 00:21:26,530
like I said I'm I'm a little bit more

461
00:21:30,630 --> 00:21:28,990
than 60 40 50 50 somewhere in there

462
00:21:33,990 --> 00:21:30,640
depending on who I'm talking to on the

463
00:21:37,830 --> 00:21:34,000
day there's no definitive evidence

464
00:21:39,270 --> 00:21:37,840
either way that's right and and unless

465
00:21:41,910 --> 00:21:39,280
someone has and we don't know about it

466
00:21:43,650 --> 00:21:41,920
correct you know get me wrong if it is

467
00:21:45,900 --> 00:21:43,660
ours we got a lot of stuff to relearn

468
00:21:49,590 --> 00:21:45,910
when it comes to physics and compulsion

469
00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:49,600
and other stuff but if out of the realm

470
00:21:55,650 --> 00:21:52,690
of abilities my day yeah yeah all right

471
00:21:58,620 --> 00:21:55,660
well we are ready to go into our break

472
00:22:01,890 --> 00:21:58,630
right now so hang in everyone we'll be

473
00:22:04,110 --> 00:22:01,900
right back right after these messages

474
00:22:07,169 --> 00:22:04,120
and on YouTube just hang in there we'll

475
00:22:09,660 --> 00:22:07,179
be back all right welcome back to the

476
00:22:12,169 --> 00:22:09,670
show of my guest tonight is PJ Hughes

477
00:22:16,340 --> 00:22:12,179
we're talking about the USS Nimitz

478
00:22:21,450 --> 00:22:16,350
tick-tack UFO incident happened back in

479
00:22:28,110 --> 00:22:21,460
2004 nearly 16 years ago

480
00:22:31,820 --> 00:22:28,120
so PJ back at this we were talking about

481
00:22:34,290 --> 00:22:31,830
the you know what the technology

482
00:22:37,830 --> 00:22:34,300
possibilities are

483
00:22:42,570 --> 00:22:37,840
and as I mentioned a little bit earlier

484
00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:42,580
you know having Kevin Knuth on of this

485
00:22:50,910 --> 00:22:45,730
show a while back he demonstrated some

486
00:22:54,930 --> 00:22:50,920
of the the g-forces that these things

487
00:22:59,070 --> 00:22:54,940
would have to create I mean would have

488
00:23:01,620 --> 00:22:59,080
to you know endure I want to say and you

489
00:23:05,910 --> 00:23:01,630
know I forget exactly what it was 20,000

490
00:23:09,270 --> 00:23:05,920
feet to write down above the ocean yep

491
00:23:14,190 --> 00:23:09,280
in less than a second you ever take it

492
00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:14,200
up yeah it's like 1500 g-forces you know

493
00:23:19,380 --> 00:23:17,170
which is would make would almost Bend a

494
00:23:21,030 --> 00:23:19,390
quarter I would think you know and that

495
00:23:23,190 --> 00:23:21,040
and I know these things are tubular

496
00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:23,200
they're rounded on each side they're

497
00:23:28,380 --> 00:23:25,690
very they're designed for pressure

498
00:23:32,370 --> 00:23:28,390
basically if you think about the way

499
00:23:33,630 --> 00:23:32,380
they're designed but still what how do

500
00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:33,640
you think that we could have a

501
00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:35,410
technology and I'm not I'm not here to

502
00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:37,090
argue with it just know that I'm not

503
00:23:42,690 --> 00:23:39,250
here to argue with you I just want to

504
00:23:45,420 --> 00:23:42,700
know do you actually you said you know a

505
00:23:47,700 --> 00:23:45,430
lot more than the average person perhaps

506
00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:47,710
but what when the technology could

507
00:23:55,140 --> 00:23:53,170
handle g-forces like that there's when

508
00:23:57,720 --> 00:23:55,150
when I got out I went to work for

509
00:23:59,070 --> 00:23:57,730
Northrop Grumman and through that and

510
00:24:04,320 --> 00:23:59,080
some stuff I was still doing with the

511
00:24:06,690 --> 00:24:04,330
Navy I was exposed to other stuff and I

512
00:24:09,530 --> 00:24:06,700
can't elaborate on all of it but like I

513
00:24:13,110 --> 00:24:09,540
said if if those technologies are there

514
00:24:17,730 --> 00:24:13,120
that close to my level there's other

515
00:24:20,850 --> 00:24:17,740
stuff at levels I'm not close to and we

516
00:24:25,710 --> 00:24:20,860
have a drone that looks like mini

517
00:24:28,140 --> 00:24:25,720
stealth bomber that can take off fly

518
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:28,150
itself to the carrier land take off

519
00:24:33,360 --> 00:24:30,970
refuel do everything needs without any

520
00:24:35,220 --> 00:24:33,370
human intervention whatsoever and that's

521
00:24:39,900 --> 00:24:35,230
not a secret that's been on newspapers

522
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:39,910
if that technology which was in

523
00:24:47,370 --> 00:24:43,450
development back before I even join the

524
00:24:50,669 --> 00:24:47,380
Navy it's that far perfected

525
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:50,679
there's other stuff that's gotta be in

526
00:24:56,970 --> 00:24:53,530
development to replace technology like

527
00:24:58,650 --> 00:24:56,980
that it's just the way that the

528
00:25:00,029 --> 00:24:58,660
industrial complex works you know

529
00:25:01,890 --> 00:25:00,039
they've always got to get that newer

530
00:25:03,419 --> 00:25:01,900
better thing and I don't personally

531
00:25:06,270 --> 00:25:03,429
think there was a pilot inside that

532
00:25:08,580 --> 00:25:06,280
object there's no way based on what we

533
00:25:11,549 --> 00:25:08,590
know that a human body would have

534
00:25:13,020 --> 00:25:11,559
survived that but when you look at the

535
00:25:14,970 --> 00:25:13,030
fact that I think they were most likely

536
00:25:17,940 --> 00:25:14,980
after the ESM data which would have been

537
00:25:25,350 --> 00:25:17,950
frequencies and and other stuff along

538
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:25,360
those lines and if something was

539
00:25:30,090 --> 00:25:27,850
controlling that object from a ground

540
00:25:31,980 --> 00:25:30,100
station or for somewhere else we would

541
00:25:35,159 --> 00:25:31,990
have been able to track the frequencies

542
00:25:37,049 --> 00:25:35,169
or anything else electronic that was

543
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:37,059
going back and forth between that object

544
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:41,770
and something else well well

545
00:25:46,649 --> 00:25:44,890
hey it's possible

546
00:25:48,029 --> 00:25:46,659
okay it was having a little trouble with

547
00:25:55,710 --> 00:25:48,039
a stream it seems to be okay now

548
00:25:58,860 --> 00:25:55,720
oh good okay so you said they had a

549
00:26:02,100 --> 00:25:58,870
technology that could but as far as the

550
00:26:03,570 --> 00:26:02,110
the speeds of it they couldn't have

551
00:26:05,060 --> 00:26:03,580
there's no drone that we know of that

552
00:26:07,260 --> 00:26:05,070
could have speeds like that right

553
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:07,270
there's nothing I'm aware of that's

554
00:26:13,169 --> 00:26:10,450
close that fast that's why I'm not sold

555
00:26:15,390 --> 00:26:13,179
on it 100% being ours because there's a

556
00:26:18,750 --> 00:26:15,400
lot of stuff we don't know that's

557
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:18,760
unexplained about it that I can't answer

558
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:22,210
that nobody can answer so it's maybe

559
00:26:27,779 --> 00:26:24,850
it's not ours you know not I'm not

560
00:26:30,090 --> 00:26:27,789
against that yeah yeah now when you're

561
00:26:33,060 --> 00:26:30,100
out in your everyday life does this

562
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:33,070
topic ever come up anywhere have you

563
00:26:39,919 --> 00:26:35,650
ever heard someone else talk about it or

564
00:26:42,870 --> 00:26:39,929
joined in a conversation um only once

565
00:26:46,230 --> 00:26:42,880
and that was ironically my therapist at

566
00:26:49,289 --> 00:26:46,240
the VA when I went to go I mentioned

567
00:26:51,450 --> 00:26:49,299
something I was doing and she was

568
00:26:53,940 --> 00:26:51,460
actually aware of that not nearly to

569
00:26:55,289 --> 00:26:53,950
depth that you know people who want to

570
00:26:57,590 --> 00:26:55,299
know about it are but she actually heard

571
00:27:01,200 --> 00:26:57,600
of it which was really the first time

572
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:01,210
Wow and what about friends I mean is

573
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:03,250
a topic you can bring up to two friends

574
00:27:08,610 --> 00:27:06,490
or you ever want to oh yeah I mean I've

575
00:27:10,860 --> 00:27:08,620
talked with guys who were other guys in

576
00:27:12,299 --> 00:27:10,870
the shop who were there at the times the

577
00:27:15,450 --> 00:27:12,309
problem is most of the guys I worked

578
00:27:17,159 --> 00:27:15,460
with are still in either the Navy or in

579
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:17,169
a government contract position and they

580
00:27:20,190 --> 00:27:18,970
need their clearance so they're not

581
00:27:21,570 --> 00:27:20,200
saying anything because they don't want

582
00:27:24,810 --> 00:27:21,580
to risk it and that's one of the big

583
00:27:26,970 --> 00:27:24,820
issues with Roger I know what Rogers

584
00:27:30,830 --> 00:27:26,980
doing and why he won't come forward yeah

585
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:30,840
and I completely support it obviously

586
00:27:36,260 --> 00:27:33,970
but some people still have even though

587
00:27:39,149 --> 00:27:36,270
they shouldn't have anything to lose

588
00:27:40,889 --> 00:27:39,159
still have a lot to lose because of

589
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:40,899
misconceptions that come along with all

590
00:27:46,980 --> 00:27:43,330
this yeah but that hasn't harmed you in

591
00:27:49,649 --> 00:27:46,990
any way has it nope yeah yeah no reason

592
00:27:51,570 --> 00:27:49,659
for it yeah you know I've also said if

593
00:27:53,149 --> 00:27:51,580
the right person with the right

594
00:27:55,230 --> 00:27:53,159
credentials showed up to my porch

595
00:27:56,610 --> 00:27:55,240
tomorrow and told me never to talk about

596
00:27:56,850 --> 00:27:56,620
this again you'd never hear from me

597
00:27:59,340 --> 00:27:56,860
again

598
00:28:02,760 --> 00:27:59,350
yeah but until that day I'm gonna say

599
00:28:09,690 --> 00:28:02,770
what I want yeah yeah you have the men

600
00:28:12,690 --> 00:28:09,700
in black so I was just thinking about if

601
00:28:13,260 --> 00:28:12,700
there's other witnesses that you're

602
00:28:15,779 --> 00:28:13,270
aware of

603
00:28:18,149 --> 00:28:15,789
besides Roger that would like to talk

604
00:28:20,700 --> 00:28:18,159
about it or that you've talked to you

605
00:28:21,930 --> 00:28:20,710
know offline you know not publicly are

606
00:28:24,570 --> 00:28:21,940
there people like that that you've

607
00:28:27,539 --> 00:28:24,580
talked to or you know about three other

608
00:28:29,730 --> 00:28:27,549
guys that were on my shift with me at

609
00:28:32,940 --> 00:28:29,740
that time who knew what happened and

610
00:28:35,519 --> 00:28:32,950
there's another individual who I spoke

611
00:28:38,610 --> 00:28:35,529
with almost right after that event and

612
00:28:42,409 --> 00:28:38,620
was telling portions of what I knew at

613
00:28:45,870 --> 00:28:42,419
the time then a ball spoken to me

614
00:28:47,909 --> 00:28:45,880
obviously but you know I end up being

615
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:47,919
the bumper nobody's gonna get between me

616
00:28:53,669 --> 00:28:51,730
and them yeah yeah and do you ever get

617
00:28:55,230 --> 00:28:53,679
any grief for that like people say well

618
00:28:57,269 --> 00:28:55,240
white you know you're not a first-hand

619
00:29:00,149 --> 00:28:57,279
witness why why should we take your word

620
00:29:02,399 --> 00:29:00,159
for it to that you ever get that I mean

621
00:29:03,330 --> 00:29:02,409
half the people are like for all I know

622
00:29:04,950 --> 00:29:03,340
you're making it up

623
00:29:07,799 --> 00:29:04,960
because those people aren't going to

624
00:29:10,740 --> 00:29:07,809
come forward but the only one I really

625
00:29:14,399 --> 00:29:10,750
lean on when I repeat the story is Roger

626
00:29:15,060 --> 00:29:14,409
and that's because Roger has also spoken

627
00:29:19,470 --> 00:29:15,070
with Dave

628
00:29:21,509 --> 00:29:19,480
baby and Dave baby did his own not

629
00:29:24,870 --> 00:29:21,519
betting but had his own conversation

630
00:29:26,850 --> 00:29:24,880
with Rogers separate from I did so as

631
00:29:30,259 --> 00:29:26,860
far as I'm concerned roger has been

632
00:29:33,990 --> 00:29:30,269
vetted and proven to be a real person

633
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:34,000
that's been heavily on his story because

634
00:29:38,129 --> 00:29:36,610
I have somebody who back me up said hey

635
00:29:41,370 --> 00:29:38,139
yeah I did speak with Roger I need to

636
00:29:42,870 --> 00:29:41,380
say this I say oh yeah all the rest of

637
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:42,880
the guys it's just conversation between

638
00:29:50,220 --> 00:29:45,250
me and then you know I have no true

639
00:29:53,220 --> 00:29:50,230
proof to support it yeah and I know that

640
00:29:58,350 --> 00:29:53,230
there's going to be that well there is a

641
00:29:59,639 --> 00:29:58,360
planned situation where Kevin day and a

642
00:30:03,930 --> 00:29:59,649
few others get together and they're

643
00:30:06,330 --> 00:30:03,940
going to be out on on the Pacific in the

644
00:30:09,090 --> 00:30:06,340
general area do you know anything about

645
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:09,100
that in particular oh yeah

646
00:30:14,190 --> 00:30:12,250
it's called uip expeditions that's right

647
00:30:19,169 --> 00:30:14,200
oh yeah it is

648
00:30:24,060 --> 00:30:19,179
Kevin days baby so to speak but

649
00:30:28,340 --> 00:30:24,070
ultimately that goal is to rent a couple

650
00:30:31,379 --> 00:30:28,350
ships and they've got a big team of

651
00:30:32,970 --> 00:30:31,389
highly qualified people that know far

652
00:30:36,149 --> 00:30:32,980
more about science and I could ever even

653
00:30:39,899 --> 00:30:36,159
dream about you know experts in their

654
00:30:43,110 --> 00:30:39,909
fields biology science you name it and

655
00:30:45,869 --> 00:30:43,120
they're gonna go out on the ships head

656
00:30:48,899 --> 00:30:45,879
out to the same areas you know I believe

657
00:30:52,289 --> 00:30:48,909
the intent is to leave one off of So Cal

658
00:30:54,570 --> 00:30:52,299
you know up towards where we first saw

659
00:30:56,970 --> 00:30:54,580
them the other ones headed down south to

660
00:30:59,340 --> 00:30:56,980
where we also had the interactions and

661
00:31:02,310 --> 00:30:59,350
they're gonna try and you know find

662
00:31:06,029 --> 00:31:02,320
these objects again what do you think

663
00:31:07,289 --> 00:31:06,039
the odds are you know the odds are kind

664
00:31:10,259 --> 00:31:07,299
of tough on something like that weather

665
00:31:13,860 --> 00:31:10,269
you know that's a one problem about UFOs

666
00:31:15,539 --> 00:31:13,870
is they're unpredictable and that's why

667
00:31:17,279 --> 00:31:15,549
a lot of science people do not get

668
00:31:20,490 --> 00:31:17,289
involved because it's not a repeatable

669
00:31:22,529 --> 00:31:20,500
thing you know they're taking a chance

670
00:31:24,779 --> 00:31:22,539
but I mean it's in my opinion is better

671
00:31:28,409 --> 00:31:24,789
than not trying do you happen to know of

672
00:31:28,950 --> 00:31:28,419
any other sightings of these type of

673
00:31:33,450 --> 00:31:28,960
things

674
00:31:38,269 --> 00:31:33,460
or indirectly through research between

675
00:31:41,190 --> 00:31:38,279
the shell on the History Channel and

676
00:31:45,450 --> 00:31:41,200
other research that they've done there

677
00:31:47,519 --> 00:31:45,460
have been other similar sightings of you

678
00:31:50,220 --> 00:31:47,529
know similar tik-tok take objects all

679
00:31:54,330 --> 00:31:50,230
over that area up around Catalina Island

680
00:31:57,389 --> 00:31:54,340
and down south so some island off Mexico

681
00:32:00,659 --> 00:31:57,399
I can't think of the name of you know so

682
00:32:03,470 --> 00:32:00,669
there's a good track record of these

683
00:32:07,169 --> 00:32:03,480
objects in that area which is why

684
00:32:08,490 --> 00:32:07,179
they're going there I see as if we're

685
00:32:10,169 --> 00:32:08,500
gonna go somewhere where we stand a

686
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:10,179
chance to possibly seeing these again

687
00:32:14,930 --> 00:32:12,370
with the right equipment to learn

688
00:32:16,169 --> 00:32:14,940
something you know that's the area

689
00:32:18,210 --> 00:32:16,179
uh-huh

690
00:32:19,950 --> 00:32:18,220
well I wish them good luck it'll be

691
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:19,960
interesting I'm going to be in touch

692
00:32:25,590 --> 00:32:23,250
with at least Kevin day you know before

693
00:32:30,570 --> 00:32:25,600
and hopefully that'll still happen this

694
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:30,580
year when this encounter happened and

695
00:32:35,159 --> 00:32:33,730
right after it happened I should say is

696
00:32:37,529 --> 00:32:35,169
it something that just kind of went away

697
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:37,539
in your mind until you know things

698
00:32:42,750 --> 00:32:39,610
started bubbling up again or did you

699
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:42,760
talk about it along the way do it it

700
00:32:47,310 --> 00:32:45,010
wasn't a Gary for he said it beds best

701
00:32:50,250 --> 00:32:47,320
it was a drinking story you know when we

702
00:32:52,950 --> 00:32:50,260
started drinking and yeah it came out

703
00:32:56,340 --> 00:32:52,960
but beyond that it was out of sight out

704
00:32:59,789 --> 00:32:56,350
of mind until I run across Dave baby's

705
00:33:01,230 --> 00:32:59,799
documentary on YouTube and then I

706
00:33:02,730 --> 00:33:01,240
reached out to Dave I'm like hey there's

707
00:33:06,029 --> 00:33:02,740
a whole section of the story you don't

708
00:33:06,570 --> 00:33:06,039
know about I know happy to tell you what

709
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:06,580
I know

710
00:33:11,730 --> 00:33:09,970
and it's just spiraled from there and

711
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:11,740
I've been in contact with more people

712
00:33:17,730 --> 00:33:14,130
and obviously the guys in Princeton and

713
00:33:19,049 --> 00:33:17,740
the nice thing about the small group of

714
00:33:22,909 --> 00:33:19,059
us between the Nimitz and the Princeton

715
00:33:24,930 --> 00:33:22,919
is we'd all spoken with Dave baby

716
00:33:26,460 --> 00:33:24,940
individually before any of us spoke to

717
00:33:30,330 --> 00:33:26,470
each other Wow

718
00:33:33,299 --> 00:33:30,340
so Wow with the exception of Kevin day

719
00:33:37,379 --> 00:33:33,309
and Gary Voorhees mainly because they

720
00:33:38,970 --> 00:33:37,389
were they kind of came out together gary

721
00:33:41,820 --> 00:33:38,980
kind of reached out to him and then Dave

722
00:33:42,870 --> 00:33:41,830
got me in the loop but the rest of us

723
00:33:45,210 --> 00:33:42,880
Dave has spoken

724
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:45,220
to us individually before so there's

725
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:48,370
very there's no real argument for

726
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:49,690
anybody to be like oh yeah we all got

727
00:33:54,060 --> 00:33:52,090
together made it up well Kevin day

728
00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:54,070
actually watched my interview with

729
00:34:01,410 --> 00:33:56,770
Robert Powell about this incident and

730
00:34:03,090 --> 00:34:01,420
then wrote a comment on the YouTube that

731
00:34:06,030 --> 00:34:03,100
I did with Robert Powell this is going

732
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:06,040
back a couple of years now and then

733
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:07,930
Robert reached out to him on Facebook

734
00:34:11,460 --> 00:34:09,490
and that's how you know Kevin got

735
00:34:13,470 --> 00:34:11,470
connected with that's what started the

736
00:34:15,119 --> 00:34:13,480
ball rolling so he was he was paying

737
00:34:18,270 --> 00:34:15,129
attention I think he saw something on

738
00:34:22,220 --> 00:34:18,280
the news or something first and yeah

739
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:22,230
so yep Kevin days obviously been the the

740
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:25,450
the lead on all of this other than favor

741
00:34:31,830 --> 00:34:27,970
obviously because fragrant you know

742
00:34:35,010 --> 00:34:31,840
public but Kevin had written a short

743
00:34:36,649 --> 00:34:35,020
story oh yes years and years ago based

744
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:36,659
on these events and had it published

745
00:34:42,570 --> 00:34:39,850
figuring at least he had it recorded in

746
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:42,580
some place you know even if it wasn't

747
00:34:48,690 --> 00:34:45,490
the 100% true story you know he had

748
00:34:50,460 --> 00:34:48,700
written down way back then so yeah

749
00:34:52,649 --> 00:34:50,470
actually a good story if you read it

750
00:34:57,920 --> 00:34:52,659
yeah I know he had those books when I

751
00:35:01,890 --> 00:34:57,930
met him out in Phoenix he was but and

752
00:35:04,110 --> 00:35:01,900
wow I'm glad that's up you know you have

753
00:35:06,860 --> 00:35:04,120
felt comfortable enough you know to come

754
00:35:09,990 --> 00:35:06,870
forward and and and talk about this but

755
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:10,000
would you say the strangest part of this

756
00:35:16,290 --> 00:35:14,410
whole thing is that it that it was you

757
00:35:18,420 --> 00:35:16,300
know first of all that happened and that

758
00:35:25,350 --> 00:35:18,430
there was no explanation or no real talk

759
00:35:27,330 --> 00:35:25,360
about it from your superiors um it's

760
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:27,340
definitely strange that there's no

761
00:35:33,870 --> 00:35:31,170
further comment about it because of the

762
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:33,880
the clearance I had and how tightly I

763
00:35:41,820 --> 00:35:38,170
worked with many of the officers because

764
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:41,830
I had other duties aside from you know

765
00:35:45,720 --> 00:35:43,570
being a technician I had collateral

766
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:45,730
duties extra jobs so to speak

767
00:35:51,660 --> 00:35:49,450
so I was quite close with many of the

768
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:51,670
officers so we would have normal

769
00:35:54,390 --> 00:35:53,050
conversations because I was in the ready

770
00:35:56,849 --> 00:35:54,400
room every morning checking message

771
00:35:58,799 --> 00:35:56,859
traffic you know so

772
00:36:00,720 --> 00:35:58,809
there was a lot that I knew that they

773
00:36:02,970 --> 00:36:00,730
didn't always spread around the you know

774
00:36:04,890 --> 00:36:02,980
the whole squadron just because I was in

775
00:36:09,749 --> 00:36:04,900
the place to hear about it to talk to

776
00:36:11,940 --> 00:36:09,759
them about it so there I often got at

777
00:36:15,779 --> 00:36:11,950
least basic versions of a lot of events

778
00:36:22,559 --> 00:36:15,789
that happened and there was nothing said

779
00:36:25,170 --> 00:36:22,569
about this well yeah that is that is

780
00:36:26,729 --> 00:36:25,180
puzzling and you know there's I'm sure

781
00:36:30,420 --> 00:36:26,739
you've heard the theory out there that

782
00:36:32,940 --> 00:36:30,430
this was an Air Force you know there's

783
00:36:35,940 --> 00:36:32,950
someone that came forward that you know

784
00:36:37,289 --> 00:36:35,950
claims he knows 100% sure that this is

785
00:36:39,390 --> 00:36:37,299
Air Force and all that and it was

786
00:36:42,150 --> 00:36:39,400
basically Air Force playing games with

787
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:42,160
the Navy over this whole thing and well

788
00:36:46,380 --> 00:36:44,410
you know yes he also talks about I think

789
00:36:48,900 --> 00:36:46,390
he talks about the confiscation of the

790
00:36:50,249 --> 00:36:48,910
bricks to by the Air Force but yeah not

791
00:36:52,410 --> 00:36:50,259
that the Air Force has never played

792
00:36:56,940 --> 00:36:52,420
games with us cuz they have and we play

793
00:36:58,620 --> 00:36:56,950
funny games with them yeah anyway we

794
00:37:01,349 --> 00:36:58,630
we've some we've shot down their

795
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:01,359
airplanes in training way more than they

796
00:37:06,839 --> 00:37:04,210
shot us down so I'm just gonna hear that

797
00:37:08,279 --> 00:37:06,849
doesn't not good yeah vegetable and I

798
00:37:11,539 --> 00:37:08,289
don't even feel like mentioning his name

799
00:37:14,630 --> 00:37:11,549
anymore is a complete and utter fraud

800
00:37:17,309 --> 00:37:14,640
yes every yeah I've gone through and

801
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:17,319
proven a bunch of what he said is wrong

802
00:37:25,799 --> 00:37:19,450
yeah he's wrong and why it's wrong and

803
00:37:28,380 --> 00:37:25,809
you know the guy basically took and used

804
00:37:33,319 --> 00:37:28,390
terminology that would have never been

805
00:37:36,079 --> 00:37:33,329
used outside of my squadron that alone

806
00:37:38,190 --> 00:37:36,089
he would have never used the term bricks

807
00:37:40,380 --> 00:37:38,200
he would have never used some of the

808
00:37:42,809 --> 00:37:40,390
other terminology used because outside

809
00:37:46,259 --> 00:37:42,819
of our little community nobody called

810
00:37:49,739 --> 00:37:46,269
them that name for those stupid things

811
00:37:53,549 --> 00:37:49,749
is removable media cartridge that's what

812
00:37:55,229 --> 00:37:53,559
called outside of us by reason we called

813
00:37:57,299 --> 00:37:55,239
the bricks it's because the darn things

814
00:37:59,400 --> 00:37:57,309
wait a ton and when you're lugging him

815
00:38:02,819 --> 00:37:59,410
around all day yeah you start to be from

816
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:02,829
a nickname yes oh yeah that guy is a

817
00:38:07,769 --> 00:38:05,170
complete nutter fraud yeah when I would

818
00:38:10,079 --> 00:38:07,779
look for him to take the lie detector

819
00:38:10,830 --> 00:38:10,089
test he agreed to so everybody can learn

820
00:38:12,870 --> 00:38:10,840
them cell

821
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:12,880
well someone was trying to you know

822
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:16,210
force him on my show and I watched a

823
00:38:23,250 --> 00:38:20,050
YouTube of him and I got in touch with

824
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:23,260
my friend Alejandro Rojas we you know

825
00:38:28,140 --> 00:38:26,530
was on this show for quite a while and

826
00:38:30,900 --> 00:38:28,150
said I don't I'm not buying this guy I

827
00:38:33,510 --> 00:38:30,910
said you know not only he yet even his

828
00:38:36,330 --> 00:38:33,520
body language was you know as he was

829
00:38:39,240 --> 00:38:36,340
talking about these things and there was

830
00:38:41,460 --> 00:38:39,250
uh there was some issues there that I

831
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:41,470
forget exactly what he said but he kept

832
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:44,170
saying the same thing over and over

833
00:38:48,780 --> 00:38:47,050
again which made me think that I I

834
00:38:51,750 --> 00:38:48,790
didn't buy it basically that's the

835
00:38:57,240 --> 00:38:51,760
bottom line and we both know who that

836
00:38:59,490 --> 00:38:57,250
individual is remain nameless but what

837
00:39:02,220 --> 00:38:59,500
about other things have you heard - have

838
00:39:04,650 --> 00:39:02,230
you paid attention enough to hear you

839
00:39:12,380 --> 00:39:04,660
know what other people are theorizing on

840
00:39:16,950 --> 00:39:14,550
there's a lot of people who don't have

841
00:39:19,620 --> 00:39:16,960
all the same information we do and the

842
00:39:22,770 --> 00:39:19,630
unfortunate part is especially when it

843
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:22,780
comes to Gary and myself there's a lot

844
00:39:29,190 --> 00:39:27,010
of the technology that was in use that

845
00:39:30,870 --> 00:39:29,200
we know and we know why we're saying

846
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:30,880
certain things but we can't elaborate

847
00:39:35,850 --> 00:39:33,130
because that technology to this day is

848
00:39:43,140 --> 00:39:35,860
still classified a lot of what I say and

849
00:39:44,730 --> 00:39:43,150
make my my my my guesses and assumptions

850
00:39:46,020 --> 00:39:44,740
based on everything cuz that's all they

851
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:46,030
are at this point it's guesses and

852
00:39:50,670 --> 00:39:48,850
assumptions is based on a lot of the

853
00:39:53,130 --> 00:39:50,680
tactics and capabilities I know my

854
00:39:55,500 --> 00:39:53,140
airplane is capable of now I know what

855
00:39:58,050 --> 00:39:55,510
my airplane was capable of doing but I

856
00:39:59,760 --> 00:39:58,060
can't other than saying some of the

857
00:40:03,060 --> 00:39:59,770
names I can't really share anything else

858
00:40:07,290 --> 00:40:03,070
yeah you know and that puts a buffer

859
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:07,300
between a lot of people and you know me

860
00:40:12,090 --> 00:40:09,130
because they want me to spill everything

861
00:40:14,310 --> 00:40:12,100
and I'm not going to do that yeah I

862
00:40:16,380 --> 00:40:14,320
still have friends that fly in those

863
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:16,390
airplanes I still have friends yeah work

864
00:40:21,240 --> 00:40:18,370
on those airplanes I would be putting

865
00:40:24,690 --> 00:40:21,250
them in jeopardy if I started talking

866
00:40:26,550 --> 00:40:24,700
about some of that stuff not to mention

867
00:40:28,020 --> 00:40:26,560
got a stacking non-disclosure agreements

868
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:28,030
for all kinds of stuff that I can't talk

869
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:29,890
about and I have a security clearance

870
00:40:34,710 --> 00:40:32,770
that is inactive at the moment but if I

871
00:40:37,620 --> 00:40:34,720
needed it tomorrow I could reactivate it

872
00:40:39,690 --> 00:40:37,630
and there's an oath so to speak there's

873
00:40:42,650 --> 00:40:39,700
a trust that comes along with that but I

874
00:40:48,240 --> 00:40:42,660
won't break yes

875
00:40:49,859 --> 00:40:48,250
now what about Roger can you talk more

876
00:40:51,540 --> 00:40:49,869
about his story I know we're gonna be

877
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:51,550
going into a break in about seven

878
00:40:56,970 --> 00:40:54,690
minutes but but anyway can you talk

879
00:40:58,890 --> 00:40:56,980
basically what a Roger have to say and

880
00:41:04,040 --> 00:40:58,900
like I know you've been in touch with

881
00:41:06,530 --> 00:41:04,050
him since so there's two two lines of

882
00:41:09,390 --> 00:41:06,540
Rogers communication with me there's

883
00:41:11,490 --> 00:41:09,400
very little that he's told me that I can

884
00:41:13,620 --> 00:41:11,500
share and then a lot that he's told me

885
00:41:16,410 --> 00:41:13,630
that I can and some of it he's probably

886
00:41:20,060 --> 00:41:16,420
not even supposed to tell me but you

887
00:41:23,099 --> 00:41:20,070
know friends do things yeah you know

888
00:41:25,260 --> 00:41:23,109
Roger was an in-flight tech he was an

889
00:41:27,150 --> 00:41:25,270
enlisted guy who went flying with the

890
00:41:28,859 --> 00:41:27,160
air crew when stuff was broken to

891
00:41:32,190 --> 00:41:28,869
troubleshoot stuff to fix stuff that we

892
00:41:34,740 --> 00:41:32,200
can't duplicate on the ground that was

893
00:41:37,230 --> 00:41:34,750
his primary function so he was on that

894
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:37,240
flight because he also had to have a

895
00:41:41,579 --> 00:41:38,890
minimum out of flight hours every month

896
00:41:43,740 --> 00:41:41,589
to you know maintain a slight pay and

897
00:41:45,300 --> 00:41:43,750
his qualifications and stuff so you know

898
00:41:50,010 --> 00:41:45,310
you can sometimes when he had no reason

899
00:41:52,710 --> 00:41:50,020
to fly he was flying but he knew that

900
00:41:54,329 --> 00:41:52,720
airplane as well as I did as well as

901
00:41:56,339 --> 00:41:54,339
most of the officers probably even

902
00:41:58,349 --> 00:41:56,349
better than some of them on how to

903
00:42:01,230 --> 00:41:58,359
operate everything how to fix it and you

904
00:42:04,890 --> 00:42:01,240
know so he was a very useful tool tool

905
00:42:07,230 --> 00:42:04,900
to them he was on that flight during

906
00:42:08,910 --> 00:42:07,240
favours intercept you know he was

907
00:42:11,700 --> 00:42:08,920
sitting me the radar officers position

908
00:42:21,660 --> 00:42:11,710
which is in the back of the airplane but

909
00:42:24,170 --> 00:42:21,670
towards the middle he it was relatively

910
00:42:26,910 --> 00:42:24,180
normal flight until Princeton took

911
00:42:29,550 --> 00:42:26,920
control of favors aircraft in his wing

912
00:42:31,859 --> 00:42:29,560
then they were still controlling the

913
00:42:34,349 --> 00:42:31,869
rest of the air defense exercise should

914
00:42:35,460 --> 00:42:34,359
it have started which it didn't because

915
00:42:37,990 --> 00:42:35,470
ultimately the whole thing was called

916
00:42:45,490 --> 00:42:40,150
and while they were up there flying

917
00:42:49,420 --> 00:42:45,500
around the object came up and right

918
00:42:53,340 --> 00:42:49,430
outside their windows which is there and

919
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:53,350
as quick as it was there it was gone and

920
00:42:58,210 --> 00:42:55,610
when I first had reached out to Dave

921
00:43:02,610 --> 00:42:58,220
Beatty it's kind of funny you know he

922
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:02,620
was trying to vet me with somebody else

923
00:43:08,260 --> 00:43:06,650
and that person kept coming back saying

924
00:43:11,350 --> 00:43:08,270
everything I was saying was wrong

925
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:11,360
Oh Hawkeye doesn't have windows well yes

926
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:13,850
it does and here's a picture of those

927
00:43:19,690 --> 00:43:17,090
windows oh they don't have enlisted guys

928
00:43:22,720 --> 00:43:19,700
to fly in those airplanes oh yes they do

929
00:43:27,910 --> 00:43:22,730
here's a freaking video of Roger is that

930
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:27,920
everything mm-hmm so the evidence is

931
00:43:35,590 --> 00:43:31,810
there that to support it and you know

932
00:43:40,540 --> 00:43:35,600
the windows are huge but you can see

933
00:43:42,460 --> 00:43:40,550
clearly out of it yeah and if all of a

934
00:43:44,980 --> 00:43:42,470
sudden something pops there they're

935
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:44,990
gonna look in all it takes is one person

936
00:43:51,190 --> 00:43:48,170
to see it and it was you ever look at

937
00:43:53,500 --> 00:43:51,200
planes flying in formation no they're

938
00:43:55,090 --> 00:43:53,510
not too far from each other a little

939
00:43:57,460 --> 00:43:55,100
further than the Blue Angels but not

940
00:43:59,110 --> 00:43:57,470
quite so far it was just there you know

941
00:44:02,890 --> 00:43:59,120
they saw the same object free bird it

942
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:02,900
gave the same description flavor did and

943
00:44:11,890 --> 00:44:07,210
then it just went away as they pulled up

944
00:44:15,010 --> 00:44:11,900
now there there were possibly like 60 of

945
00:44:18,940 --> 00:44:15,020
these things total or maybe 60 times

946
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:18,950
they saw that they tracked the

947
00:44:25,090 --> 00:44:21,490
Princeton's radar obviously tracked

948
00:44:26,410 --> 00:44:25,100
multiple objects at a time over the span

949
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:26,420
of a whole week before we actually

950
00:44:33,270 --> 00:44:29,930
intercepted them they came and I think

951
00:44:35,590 --> 00:44:33,280
have days had batches are like 10 to 15

952
00:44:38,950 --> 00:44:35,600
so we don't know if maybe it was the

953
00:44:42,340 --> 00:44:38,960
same time 15 things or if it was more or

954
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:42,350
if it was less you know but more than

955
00:44:49,450 --> 00:44:47,450
one object was tracked and when the

956
00:44:51,730 --> 00:44:49,460
objects were airborne and we intercepted

957
00:44:55,810 --> 00:44:51,740
flavor the Hawkeye

958
00:44:58,510 --> 00:44:55,820
have an old radar but it's a solid very

959
00:45:00,970 --> 00:44:58,520
capable radar and it was tracking the

960
00:45:04,780 --> 00:45:00,980
objects just as well as the Princeton

961
00:45:07,210 --> 00:45:04,790
was so you have two different radars of

962
00:45:10,740 --> 00:45:07,220
two different types tracking these

963
00:45:14,710 --> 00:45:10,750
objects you know that is solid hard

964
00:45:17,770 --> 00:45:14,720
evidence that these were physical

965
00:45:20,980 --> 00:45:17,780
objects not a projection and a hologram

966
00:45:26,500 --> 00:45:20,990
not any other things I've been told they

967
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:26,510
were physical real objects and you know

968
00:45:33,460 --> 00:45:29,810
since since you have been on this show

969
00:45:37,330 --> 00:45:33,470
now that the Navy has actually has come

970
00:45:40,090 --> 00:45:37,340
out and said that they are you know

971
00:45:42,370 --> 00:45:40,100
they're I forget exactly the terminology

972
00:45:45,340 --> 00:45:42,380
they used but they're allowing you know

973
00:45:49,090 --> 00:45:45,350
people to report these UFOs it's the

974
00:45:52,710 --> 00:45:49,100
really the only Armour the service am I

975
00:45:55,780 --> 00:45:52,720
saying that wrong what right the Navy

976
00:45:58,720 --> 00:45:55,790
and all the branches of military for

977
00:46:01,780 --> 00:45:58,730
that fact that have reporting programs

978
00:46:04,210 --> 00:46:01,790
or all kinds of stuff whether it's you

979
00:46:07,210 --> 00:46:04,220
know hey we ran over a bird oh we got

980
00:46:09,010 --> 00:46:07,220
that bird health data they've got all

981
00:46:10,660 --> 00:46:09,020
kinds of criteria for different things

982
00:46:12,340 --> 00:46:10,670
something falls off my hair play my

983
00:46:15,580 --> 00:46:12,350
likes flying I got a whole stack of

984
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:15,590
paperwork to do you know so the

985
00:46:23,020 --> 00:46:17,810
paperwork or the process or somebody to

986
00:46:26,380 --> 00:46:23,030
report a UFO or you know an unidentified

987
00:46:29,830 --> 00:46:26,390
object has always been there in one

988
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:29,840
shape or form but now the Navy itself

989
00:46:35,109 --> 00:46:32,810
has said we're not gonna laugh at you if

990
00:46:38,230 --> 00:46:35,119
you submit these we're gonna take them

991
00:46:40,750 --> 00:46:38,240
seriously yeah and act if something the

992
00:46:42,370 --> 00:46:40,760
Air Force has not said you know army has

993
00:46:44,950 --> 00:46:42,380
not said the government itself has not

994
00:46:48,010 --> 00:46:44,960
said the Navy have said to its pilots

995
00:46:49,720 --> 00:46:48,020
who are going to see these objects even

996
00:46:52,750 --> 00:46:49,730
if they turn out to be weather balloons

997
00:46:55,810 --> 00:46:52,760
or you know somebody's drone flying from

998
00:46:57,670 --> 00:46:55,820
the backyard you know they're

999
00:47:00,160 --> 00:46:57,680
encouraging their pilots to report these

1000
00:47:02,170 --> 00:47:00,170
which means at some point the dam is

1001
00:47:04,500 --> 00:47:02,180
going to break and more of these objects

1002
00:47:05,950 --> 00:47:04,510
are going to be reported but it's not an

1003
00:47:11,260 --> 00:47:05,960
instant

1004
00:47:13,990 --> 00:47:11,270
loud it's a whole culture that's got to

1005
00:47:16,690 --> 00:47:14,000
be changed yeah but you know that that

1006
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:16,700
is a big deal I mean it's a real big

1007
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:18,410
deal that they did that I believe and

1008
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:20,450
yeah you know a lot of people like know

1009
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:24,770
also agree with that you know and it

1010
00:47:29,710 --> 00:47:26,690
only just keeps opening the door for

1011
00:47:33,190 --> 00:47:29,720
people to take this topic serious enough

1012
00:47:37,900 --> 00:47:33,200
to really look into it I'm glad they did

1013
00:47:41,290 --> 00:47:37,910
it well I I hold I wholeheartedly hope

1014
00:47:43,810 --> 00:47:41,300
that more comes of it and when it

1015
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:43,820
shortly after came out I actually asked

1016
00:47:48,190 --> 00:47:46,130
a friend of mine who's in a more senior

1017
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:48,200
position in the Navy who would have been

1018
00:47:52,540 --> 00:47:50,570
exposed to that message traffic I was

1019
00:47:55,450 --> 00:47:52,550
like hey did you really see this it's

1020
00:47:57,100 --> 00:47:55,460
like yes it really came through the

1021
00:47:59,940 --> 00:47:57,110
message traffic they really said it and

1022
00:48:02,620 --> 00:47:59,950
we all got a good laugh about it hmm

1023
00:48:05,650 --> 00:48:02,630
that's the culture that still got a

1024
00:48:06,850 --> 00:48:05,660
change yeah that's right yeah yeah all

1025
00:48:10,420 --> 00:48:06,860
right well we're ready to go into the

1026
00:48:13,180 --> 00:48:10,430
break so thanks everyone we'll be right

1027
00:48:16,210 --> 00:48:13,190
back right after these messages with PJ

1028
00:48:18,790 --> 00:48:16,220
Hewitt hello and welcome back to the

1029
00:48:21,430 --> 00:48:18,800
show my guest tonight is PJ who's Hughes

1030
00:48:26,140 --> 00:48:21,440
and we're talking the USS Nimitz

1031
00:48:29,950 --> 00:48:26,150
tick-tack UFO incident I have said many

1032
00:48:33,010 --> 00:48:29,960
times not that everyone listens to me

1033
00:48:37,230 --> 00:48:33,020
but it's just my thoughts that I think

1034
00:48:39,970 --> 00:48:37,240
this is one of the most interesting

1035
00:48:43,510 --> 00:48:39,980
encounters that really rates up really

1036
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:43,520
really high and the main reason it does

1037
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:46,810
is because of first of all the witnesses

1038
00:48:53,470 --> 00:48:51,170
and the data upon it I mean it's it's

1039
00:48:55,900 --> 00:48:53,480
almost like you can't you can't deny

1040
00:48:58,690 --> 00:48:55,910
this a lot of things you can you know

1041
00:49:01,150 --> 00:48:58,700
the swamp gas situations where you can

1042
00:49:03,820 --> 00:49:01,160
say it's this or that or you know Venus

1043
00:49:04,870 --> 00:49:03,830
or the moon or you know whatever you

1044
00:49:08,260 --> 00:49:04,880
want to say on this one in particular

1045
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:08,270
you can't say that really there's just

1046
00:49:13,620 --> 00:49:11,210
it's just too too much there I mean

1047
00:49:18,250 --> 00:49:13,630
aside from the witnesses who are all

1048
00:49:19,460 --> 00:49:18,260
highly trained individuals you have the

1049
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:19,470
Navy who said

1050
00:49:24,710 --> 00:49:22,410
yep it happened yep

1051
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:24,720
these videos are real you know you

1052
00:49:30,289 --> 00:49:26,690
either you can't get much more than that

1053
00:49:33,349 --> 00:49:30,299
yeah and so I guess it just boils down

1054
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:33,359
to again which it always boils down to

1055
00:49:38,630 --> 00:49:36,450
is what was it and what was it that we

1056
00:49:41,930 --> 00:49:38,640
saw you know that that that type of

1057
00:49:44,240 --> 00:49:41,940
thing but biggest reasons we all keep

1058
00:49:46,910 --> 00:49:44,250
talking is because we want to know what

1059
00:49:48,349 --> 00:49:46,920
it is and at some point somehow we're

1060
00:49:49,460 --> 00:49:48,359
gonna stumble upon that answer and

1061
00:49:51,349 --> 00:49:49,470
that's what we're waiting for

1062
00:49:54,380 --> 00:49:51,359
I sure hope so and it will be

1063
00:49:57,770 --> 00:49:54,390
interesting when they do make that trip

1064
00:50:02,029 --> 00:49:57,780
out in the Pacific if they actually do

1065
00:50:04,370 --> 00:50:02,039
collect something I mean you know the

1066
00:50:08,270 --> 00:50:04,380
odds are if you're out there a month

1067
00:50:11,390 --> 00:50:08,280
maybe a little bit a little bit clearer

1068
00:50:13,730 --> 00:50:11,400
you know a little better of a chance but

1069
00:50:16,370 --> 00:50:13,740
you know how long they're going out to

1070
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:16,380
sea for exactly I think it's like two

1071
00:50:21,289 --> 00:50:19,890
weeks but I have been on their schedule

1072
00:50:24,559 --> 00:50:21,299
late leader to know for sure

1073
00:50:25,940 --> 00:50:24,569
yes you know maybe I know that someone

1074
00:50:29,150 --> 00:50:25,950
was in the chat room that may want to

1075
00:50:32,329 --> 00:50:29,160
call in with some more information on

1076
00:50:34,460 --> 00:50:32,339
that but I did want to find out more of

1077
00:50:35,900 --> 00:50:34,470
you know I don't know what you know

1078
00:50:38,900 --> 00:50:35,910
about it or don't know about it but

1079
00:50:41,240 --> 00:50:38,910
actually playing on YouTube right now it

1080
00:50:44,529 --> 00:50:41,250
just showed the looking out the little

1081
00:50:47,900 --> 00:50:44,539
portal on the Hawkeye and showing the

1082
00:50:53,029 --> 00:50:47,910
tic-tac right qur'anic me the the video

1083
00:50:55,430 --> 00:50:53,039
of Roger the video I had sent yeah

1084
00:51:01,039 --> 00:50:55,440
that's what blurred out huh how about

1085
00:51:02,529 --> 00:51:01,049
that but anyway it'd be interesting to

1086
00:51:05,930 --> 00:51:02,539
know what type of equipment they're

1087
00:51:09,349 --> 00:51:05,940
going to bring with them do you know

1088
00:51:13,460 --> 00:51:09,359
anything about any of that I do not know

1089
00:51:16,220 --> 00:51:13,470
about the specific equipment that's

1090
00:51:19,460 --> 00:51:16,230
going out I know the people that they

1091
00:51:22,010 --> 00:51:19,470
have involved and it's you know uh who's

1092
00:51:27,260 --> 00:51:22,020
who of you know smart people in my

1093
00:51:29,089 --> 00:51:27,270
opinion yeah yeah well again it surely

1094
00:51:32,329 --> 00:51:29,099
will be interesting you know I decided

1095
00:51:33,319 --> 00:51:32,339
that I was going to open up the phone

1096
00:51:36,709 --> 00:51:33,329
lines early the

1097
00:51:39,170 --> 00:51:36,719
evening and I'd like to do that and take

1098
00:51:42,349 --> 00:51:39,180
calls and also you know we will be

1099
00:51:46,819 --> 00:51:42,359
giving away t-shirt tonight for to

1100
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:46,829
celebrate our 400th show and also some

1101
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:49,650
artwork by my sister Heidi powers who

1102
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:51,930
actually is in chatter she was a minute

1103
00:51:58,930 --> 00:51:54,450
ago so anyway we're going to be taking

1104
00:52:04,219 --> 00:51:58,940
callers and I'll put that number up and

1105
00:52:07,789 --> 00:52:04,229
that is eight five five four seven two

1106
00:52:11,539 --> 00:52:07,799
five four eight three eight five five

1107
00:52:14,599 --> 00:52:11,549
four seven two five four eight three and

1108
00:52:16,549 --> 00:52:14,609
you're welcome to call we have someone

1109
00:52:21,559 --> 00:52:16,559
standing by that will screen the call

1110
00:52:25,209 --> 00:52:21,569
and and please direct your questions on

1111
00:52:27,589 --> 00:52:25,219
the incident itself let me ask you this

1112
00:52:30,319 --> 00:52:27,599
PJ since this has happened - have you

1113
00:52:32,599 --> 00:52:30,329
looked into other UFO incidents you know

1114
00:52:36,049 --> 00:52:32,609
I know the one off of Florida was pretty

1115
00:52:38,269 --> 00:52:36,059
interesting and similar um honestly I

1116
00:52:40,849 --> 00:52:38,279
have not put any time and effort into

1117
00:52:42,739 --> 00:52:40,859
any of the other stuff out there because

1118
00:52:47,209 --> 00:52:42,749
I wasn't involved in any of the other

1119
00:52:49,729 --> 00:52:47,219
stuff out there and you know I I firmly

1120
00:52:51,709 --> 00:52:49,739
believe on seeing to believe and I've

1121
00:52:54,289 --> 00:52:51,719
seen much of the evidence for this one

1122
00:52:58,039 --> 00:52:54,299
what's your why I believe in it so I

1123
00:53:01,219 --> 00:52:58,049
kind of stayed isolated to didn't

1124
00:53:02,870 --> 00:53:01,229
mistake that yeah and you know I gotta I

1125
00:53:06,699 --> 00:53:02,880
gotta say something about that that in

1126
00:53:10,009 --> 00:53:06,709
my opinion that adds to your credibility

1127
00:53:12,439 --> 00:53:10,019
only because you know you're not out

1128
00:53:14,930 --> 00:53:12,449
there like you're not a big UFO

1129
00:53:17,599 --> 00:53:14,940
enthusiast this is a one one story for

1130
00:53:21,019 --> 00:53:17,609
you and and and that's what it is

1131
00:53:22,809 --> 00:53:21,029
so alright we have John from California

1132
00:53:25,549 --> 00:53:22,819
John welcome to the show

1133
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:25,559
Thank You Martin and thanks for having

1134
00:53:30,349 --> 00:53:27,690
PJ on PJ thanks for your service and

1135
00:53:33,229 --> 00:53:30,359
thanks for coming forward I'm really

1136
00:53:35,739 --> 00:53:33,239
impressed with your your knowledge and

1137
00:53:38,359 --> 00:53:35,749
of the situation and I respect

1138
00:53:40,309 --> 00:53:38,369
everything you say how anybody cannot

1139
00:53:42,289 --> 00:53:40,319
believe stuff that you're saying is

1140
00:53:44,809 --> 00:53:42,299
beyond me or you're so credible it's

1141
00:53:47,059 --> 00:53:44,819
it's really refreshing thank you so much

1142
00:53:50,029 --> 00:53:47,069
thank you

1143
00:53:54,109 --> 00:53:50,039
my question is just a quick one I've

1144
00:53:56,329 --> 00:53:54,119
heard David flavor commander flavor say

1145
00:53:59,779 --> 00:53:56,339
I can't remember who was interviewing

1146
00:54:02,959 --> 00:53:59,789
him that he was like he had a very high

1147
00:54:05,989 --> 00:54:02,969
position on the on the ship and he said

1148
00:54:07,489 --> 00:54:05,999
that if anybody came and took the you

1149
00:54:09,140 --> 00:54:07,499
called him bricks I know there's another

1150
00:54:11,839 --> 00:54:09,150
name for him but that he would have

1151
00:54:12,709 --> 00:54:11,849
known about it and he disagrees that

1152
00:54:14,420 --> 00:54:12,719
that was done

1153
00:54:16,009 --> 00:54:14,430
so how come have you talked to David

1154
00:54:19,069 --> 00:54:16,019
forever is that her why is there such a

1155
00:54:21,529 --> 00:54:19,079
discrepancy we collectively had tried to

1156
00:54:24,259 --> 00:54:21,539
engage David safer in conversation and

1157
00:54:25,849 --> 00:54:24,269
he wants nothing to do with us we

1158
00:54:31,789 --> 00:54:25,859
actually tried reaching out to him again

1159
00:54:33,319 --> 00:54:31,799
to a third party who basically basically

1160
00:54:36,170 --> 00:54:33,329
call us all liars in the middle of

1161
00:54:39,579 --> 00:54:36,180
conversation and stayed with favorite

1162
00:54:43,459 --> 00:54:39,589
story but I'm gonna put it this way I

1163
00:54:46,069 --> 00:54:43,469
100 100 percent believe everything that

1164
00:54:48,579 --> 00:54:46,079
they favor has said the man is not a

1165
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:48,589
liar he's just got some misinformation

1166
00:54:54,829 --> 00:54:51,690
just because he was as high in the food

1167
00:54:57,499 --> 00:54:54,839
chain on the carrier as he was does not

1168
00:55:00,049 --> 00:54:57,509
mean he had a need to know what was

1169
00:55:02,109 --> 00:55:00,059
going on in everyone else's squadrons

1170
00:55:05,359 --> 00:55:02,119
the Navy doesn't really work like that

1171
00:55:08,269 --> 00:55:05,369
there is a bunch of stuff on my airplane

1172
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:08,279
that he has nothing to do with and would

1173
00:55:16,489 --> 00:55:12,170
have no reason to be read into programs

1174
00:55:18,439 --> 00:55:16,499
to learn about that stuff so ours he's

1175
00:55:21,319 --> 00:55:18,449
concerned that stuff doesn't exist

1176
00:55:23,479 --> 00:55:21,329
because he has no need to know about got

1177
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:23,489
it well that explains it thank you for

1178
00:55:27,979 --> 00:55:26,249
the clarification PJ and welcome and

1179
00:55:29,870 --> 00:55:27,989
thanks for thanks for coming forward I

1180
00:55:31,759 --> 00:55:29,880
really appreciate your your information

1181
00:55:35,359 --> 00:55:31,769
Thanks thanks again Martin all right

1182
00:55:39,559 --> 00:55:35,369
John thanks for the call and next we

1183
00:55:42,279 --> 00:55:39,569
have Kevin calling from Augusta Georgia

1184
00:55:45,650 --> 00:55:42,289
that's where Stone Mountain is hi Kevin

1185
00:55:46,549 --> 00:55:45,660
well actually hey Martin actually that's

1186
00:55:48,289 --> 00:55:46,559
over in Atlanta

1187
00:55:50,599 --> 00:55:48,299
we're actually here where they have that

1188
00:55:51,999 --> 00:55:50,609
famous golf tournament the Augusta

1189
00:55:54,140 --> 00:55:52,009
National Oh

1190
00:55:57,049 --> 00:55:54,150
canceled of course because of that

1191
00:56:00,770 --> 00:55:57,059
because of this Corona thing or put off

1192
00:56:05,810 --> 00:56:00,780
until November actually so I got

1193
00:56:07,390 --> 00:56:05,820
really you know one one it's actually

1194
00:56:10,070 --> 00:56:07,400
two questions but I'll just do it in one

1195
00:56:12,820 --> 00:56:10,080
and by the way I really have enjoyed

1196
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:12,830
your show I think your you do a

1197
00:56:19,850 --> 00:56:16,650
fantastic job really especially when you

1198
00:56:21,500 --> 00:56:19,860
got guests that you know a lot of people

1199
00:56:26,900 --> 00:56:21,510
might say a little bit a suspect so

1200
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:26,910
anyway when you had your when this event

1201
00:56:39,620 --> 00:56:35,500
from from your interaction or your your

1202
00:56:43,100 --> 00:56:39,630
exposure to the phenomenon that any sort

1203
00:56:45,170 --> 00:56:43,110
of mental issue any sort of mental

1204
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:45,180
perceptions like it was aware of you

1205
00:56:50,060 --> 00:56:47,490
were you aware of it but it was

1206
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:50,070
something other than just a piece of

1207
00:56:55,970 --> 00:56:52,410
mechanical stuff running through you

1208
00:56:59,540 --> 00:56:55,980
know the sky or and afterwards have you

1209
00:57:01,970 --> 00:56:59,550
had any kind of effects you know that

1210
00:57:03,620 --> 00:57:01,980
you think that it's it's maybe because a

1211
00:57:05,720 --> 00:57:03,630
lot of people talk about there's

1212
00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:05,730
cognitive or consciousness effects

1213
00:57:10,370 --> 00:57:08,130
afterwards if you could share if any of

1214
00:57:13,730 --> 00:57:10,380
that type with you I'd appreciate it and

1215
00:57:14,060 --> 00:57:13,740
I'll hang up and listen well hey thanks

1216
00:57:16,150 --> 00:57:14,070
Kevin

1217
00:57:20,080 --> 00:57:16,160
thanks for your kind words as well I

1218
00:57:23,330 --> 00:57:20,090
know Kevin Bay has spoken publicly about

1219
00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:23,340
his interactions with the objects but

1220
00:57:27,260 --> 00:57:25,170
what a lot of people get confused is I

1221
00:57:29,930 --> 00:57:27,270
never actually interacted with the

1222
00:57:33,830 --> 00:57:29,940
object all of my experience with it is

1223
00:57:35,870 --> 00:57:33,840
after the fact dealing with my gear

1224
00:57:38,270 --> 00:57:35,880
being taken after the fact you know I

1225
00:57:43,580 --> 00:57:38,280
never saw the object with my own eyes I

1226
00:57:45,500 --> 00:57:43,590
never saw the object period so I really

1227
00:57:48,890 --> 00:57:45,510
have no interaction with it to be

1228
00:57:52,910 --> 00:57:48,900
affected by at the same time since then

1229
00:57:55,580 --> 00:57:52,920
I really can't connect any dots about

1230
00:57:57,890 --> 00:57:55,590
how I'd been affected with it so

1231
00:58:00,470 --> 00:57:57,900
hopefully an answer your question yeah

1232
00:58:03,590 --> 00:58:00,480
no no I understand and I have talked to

1233
00:58:07,310 --> 00:58:03,600
Kevin and to some of the details which

1234
00:58:09,830 --> 00:58:07,320
is pretty interesting and you know not

1235
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:09,840
know it actually you know him being

1236
00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:11,610
aware of the radar and all that not

1237
00:58:14,490 --> 00:58:13,650
actually I don't believe Kevin actually

1238
00:58:16,650 --> 00:58:14,500
physically saw

1239
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:16,660
the object I know someone went out to

1240
00:58:22,950 --> 00:58:18,730
one of those big huge binoculars you

1241
00:58:27,810 --> 00:58:22,960
have on board and so that was Gary yep

1242
00:58:32,070 --> 00:58:27,820
yeah so and how well do you know Gary do

1243
00:58:34,109 --> 00:58:32,080
to speak with him beforehand didn't

1244
00:58:36,630 --> 00:58:34,119
really know him I'm sure because of our

1245
00:58:38,099 --> 00:58:36,640
jobs I'd spoken with him a time or two

1246
00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:38,109
so we didn't really know each other but

1247
00:58:43,349 --> 00:58:40,450
since then we've been the whole group of

1248
00:58:46,109 --> 00:58:43,359
us come pretty close for himself and

1249
00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:46,119
when it comes to like things on like you

1250
00:58:50,010 --> 00:58:47,650
wouldn't know you wouldn't have known

1251
00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:50,020
anyone on the Princeton you worked on

1252
00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:52,210
the Nimitz which was a huge I know

1253
00:58:55,770 --> 00:58:53,650
they're like I forget what the

1254
00:58:59,010 --> 00:58:55,780
population is on those things but it's

1255
00:59:01,770 --> 00:58:59,020
big its thousand isn't that amazing I

1256
00:59:05,339 --> 00:59:01,780
was on a aircraft carrier I had a friend

1257
00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:05,349
and the Navy and out of San Diego

1258
00:59:09,750 --> 00:59:07,810
years ago and I just couldn't get over

1259
00:59:11,790 --> 00:59:09,760
it it was amazing they had there I

1260
00:59:13,740 --> 00:59:11,800
remember yet is they have their own

1261
00:59:16,050 --> 00:59:13,750
machine shop for building parts out at

1262
00:59:21,020 --> 00:59:16,060
sea you know they have just amazing

1263
00:59:23,990 --> 00:59:21,030
what's on those things like a city exact

1264
00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:24,000
because of my job and how intertwined

1265
00:59:30,810 --> 00:59:27,250
the Princeton's job is with my airplanes

1266
00:59:34,859 --> 00:59:30,820
job I talked to people on that ship over

1267
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:34,869
the radio many occasions but never to

1268
00:59:40,349 --> 00:59:36,730
the point where I knew who exactly I was

1269
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:40,359
talking to or you know I might recognize

1270
00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:41,770
the voice here in there but that's about

1271
00:59:45,060 --> 00:59:42,010
it

1272
00:59:51,180 --> 00:59:45,070
yes all right we have another caller

1273
00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:51,190
callers looks like we have Dave Alton

1274
01:00:01,890 --> 00:59:55,690
and Jason is a D Jason yes it is yeah

1275
01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:01,900
hey yeah we just figured we'd call in

1276
01:00:07,950 --> 01:00:05,170
and say hello to you and PJ and see how

1277
01:00:09,660 --> 01:00:07,960
the corona is treating you guys can't

1278
01:00:13,530 --> 01:00:09,670
complain can't complain still working

1279
01:00:15,270 --> 01:00:13,540
I'm isolated up in Maine I you know I'm

1280
01:00:18,210 --> 01:00:15,280
really pretty safe where I'm at but

1281
01:00:20,520 --> 01:00:18,220
thank you for asking that and hope all

1282
01:00:24,380 --> 01:00:20,530
is well down there Jason your last name

1283
01:00:28,200 --> 01:00:24,390
is it for how do you say your last name

1284
01:00:32,609 --> 01:00:28,210
- you are in the ark all right

1285
01:00:34,290 --> 01:00:32,619
Oh Turner yes Turner I'm sorry my right

1286
01:00:37,470 --> 01:00:34,300
yeah I get the names mixed up a little

1287
01:00:42,690 --> 01:00:37,480
bit and Jason why don't you tell the

1288
01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:42,700
listener how your involvement I was on

1289
01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:47,530
the USS Princeton from 2001 to 2005

1290
01:00:55,170 --> 01:00:50,530
Richard working in supply during this

1291
01:00:58,500 --> 01:00:55,180
whole event and by happenstance I was in

1292
01:01:00,180 --> 01:00:58,510
assist when all of this went down like

1293
01:01:04,260 --> 01:01:00,190
right after it all went down and I got

1294
01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:04,270
to witness the whole video the the full

1295
01:01:10,109 --> 01:01:06,250
length video not the one that we see

1296
01:01:12,599 --> 01:01:10,119
today so Wow yeah that's kind of a

1297
01:01:15,059 --> 01:01:12,609
shortened temple is there anything you

1298
01:01:18,750 --> 01:01:15,069
can talk about on that video without

1299
01:01:25,650 --> 01:01:18,760
getting in trouble yeah I mean pretty

1300
01:01:28,230 --> 01:01:25,660
much anything it's 7 to 10 minutes long

1301
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:28,240
was the original video compared to the

1302
01:01:33,740 --> 01:01:30,970
what one and a half minute long video

1303
01:01:36,750 --> 01:01:33,750
that we see today a lot clearer a lot uh

1304
01:01:41,039 --> 01:01:36,760
there was a lot more detail in it in the

1305
01:01:43,079 --> 01:01:41,049
video and was this actually I know there

1306
01:01:46,289 --> 01:01:43,089
was a different type of video that was

1307
01:01:48,690 --> 01:01:46,299
recorded and what we see online but did

1308
01:01:50,010 --> 01:01:48,700
you have like a I don't even know what

1309
01:01:53,339 --> 01:01:50,020
you call it but I mean a high definition

1310
01:01:59,549 --> 01:01:53,349
type of video you could look at well is

1311
01:02:01,920 --> 01:01:59,559
if you look at a clear video if it

1312
01:02:04,230 --> 01:02:01,930
doesn't compare to the the newer videos

1313
01:02:05,819 --> 01:02:04,240
but it's not anywhere near what we see

1314
01:02:09,539 --> 01:02:05,829
in the video that that has been

1315
01:02:10,740 --> 01:02:09,549
circulating like all the letters and

1316
01:02:13,289 --> 01:02:10,750
everything and all the numbers and

1317
01:02:14,940 --> 01:02:13,299
everything the way it was just clear so

1318
01:02:17,430 --> 01:02:14,950
we look at you know like if you were to

1319
01:02:20,010 --> 01:02:17,440
just clear everything up

1320
01:02:23,490 --> 01:02:20,020
even the the tick-tack itself was a lot

1321
01:02:25,770 --> 01:02:23,500
clearer than what you see today it were

1322
01:02:28,079 --> 01:02:25,780
you actually able to observe those

1323
01:02:35,579 --> 01:02:28,089
little antenna or whatever they were on

1324
01:02:37,500 --> 01:02:35,589
that you know I know I couldn't tell

1325
01:02:39,960 --> 01:02:37,510
what they were they were there but they

1326
01:02:42,030 --> 01:02:39,970
know if they were el-sheikh or [\h__\h]

1327
01:02:43,320 --> 01:02:42,040
stood but they were there they were

1328
01:02:46,050 --> 01:02:43,330
definitely they are underneath the

1329
01:02:50,430 --> 01:02:46,060
vehicle and what did you see as far as

1330
01:02:52,500 --> 01:02:50,440
the movement of this thing there were a

1331
01:02:56,250 --> 01:02:52,510
few like when it first started it was

1332
01:02:58,200 --> 01:02:56,260
erratic and there would be times when we

1333
01:02:59,790 --> 01:02:58,210
could leave the screen and you would see

1334
01:03:02,760 --> 01:02:59,800
him maneuvering you would see all the

1335
01:03:05,150 --> 01:03:02,770
different the numbers changing of course

1336
01:03:08,460 --> 01:03:05,160
whenever they're they're moving but then

1337
01:03:10,260 --> 01:03:08,470
you know this thing it was it would zip

1338
01:03:16,410 --> 01:03:10,270
from one place to another and just gone

1339
01:03:18,510 --> 01:03:16,420
I mean quick so well well I would love

1340
01:03:20,700 --> 01:03:18,520
to see that and so so many people

1341
01:03:23,580 --> 01:03:20,710
listening tonight we love to see that

1342
01:03:27,360 --> 01:03:23,590
video and as a shawl we're not able to

1343
01:03:29,430 --> 01:03:27,370
actually and you know that it exists at

1344
01:03:33,120 --> 01:03:29,440
this time it's just where it is and and

1345
01:03:34,230 --> 01:03:33,130
who gets to look at it right and that's

1346
01:03:36,540 --> 01:03:34,240
something I think from the beginning

1347
01:03:38,550 --> 01:03:36,550
that I want you know I've always soon as

1348
01:03:40,920 --> 01:03:38,560
I saw the original video being released

1349
01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:40,930
into the public I'm like where's the

1350
01:03:49,050 --> 01:03:45,490
rest of this video good and and it may

1351
01:03:50,910 --> 01:03:49,060
not be as interesting as people may

1352
01:03:52,740 --> 01:03:50,920
think or even some of the pilots may try

1353
01:03:57,000 --> 01:03:52,750
to downplay it but what you know what

1354
01:04:00,120 --> 01:03:57,010
what's not interesting to you yeah if

1355
01:04:03,530 --> 01:04:00,130
then well just the movements of the

1356
01:04:08,460 --> 01:04:03,540
thing and with no you know there's no

1357
01:04:10,830 --> 01:04:08,470
visible propulsion no wings you know I

1358
01:04:13,620 --> 01:04:10,840
mean it just defies what we know at this

1359
01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:13,630
point so you know I think it's pretty

1360
01:04:19,800 --> 01:04:18,010
incredible once the thing moved it was

1361
01:04:22,080 --> 01:04:19,810
like it had a mind of its own like it

1362
01:04:25,610 --> 01:04:22,090
wanted to go 20:02 point be at this set

1363
01:04:29,070 --> 01:04:25,620
speed and that's where it went quickly

1364
01:04:31,290 --> 01:04:29,080
yeah describe it there was no

1365
01:04:33,480 --> 01:04:31,300
acceleration like you see in modern

1366
01:04:35,670 --> 01:04:33,490
vehicles they there's a slow

1367
01:04:38,660 --> 01:04:35,680
acceleration or fast acceleration the

1368
01:04:41,730 --> 01:04:38,670
thing was just accelerate and stop

1369
01:04:43,800 --> 01:04:41,740
wherever it was going now what was your

1370
01:04:49,650 --> 01:04:43,810
position so you're actually able to view

1371
01:04:53,550 --> 01:04:49,660
this thing yeah I worked in supply s1 on

1372
01:04:55,800 --> 01:04:53,560
the ship okay I just taken up a computer

1373
01:04:57,510 --> 01:04:55,810
board up to cess

1374
01:04:59,730 --> 01:04:57,520
to give it to them and I went incest

1375
01:05:02,220 --> 01:04:59,740
course you have to sign in so there's a

1376
01:05:04,890 --> 01:05:02,230
there's a log there and when I went in

1377
01:05:09,420 --> 01:05:04,900
it was just it was I guess it was

1378
01:05:14,700 --> 01:05:09,430
playing on a loop well yeah success at

1379
01:05:16,860 --> 01:05:14,710
the time yeah friend of mine it's uh if

1380
01:05:20,190 --> 01:05:16,870
this was real world or was this part of

1381
01:05:22,050 --> 01:05:20,200
the workup we were doing it he was I

1382
01:05:25,770 --> 01:05:22,060
know this is real world that's real

1383
01:05:28,290 --> 01:05:25,780
world and that was the video Wow

1384
01:05:28,860 --> 01:05:28,300
and hey Martin I hey Martin oh what a

1385
01:05:31,860 --> 01:05:28,870
hit

1386
01:05:34,350 --> 01:05:31,870
I've been in real quick about you had

1387
01:05:37,710 --> 01:05:34,360
you had a caller ask or say something

1388
01:05:41,070 --> 01:05:37,720
about Craver and the need to know and I

1389
01:05:44,850 --> 01:05:41,080
remember during Kramer's interview on

1390
01:05:47,040 --> 01:05:44,860
Joe Rogan I believe he was saying you

1391
01:05:50,850 --> 01:05:47,050
know like oh if you know if somebody had

1392
01:05:53,370 --> 01:05:50,860
came and and taken you know the the

1393
01:05:55,200 --> 01:05:53,380
bricks you know I would know because you

1394
01:05:59,250 --> 01:05:55,210
know I I know everything that happens

1395
01:06:04,440 --> 01:05:59,260
but earlier in the interview he was he

1396
01:06:08,790 --> 01:06:04,450
was complaining about how the Navy had

1397
01:06:09,630 --> 01:06:08,800
been observing the the objects for about

1398
01:06:13,710 --> 01:06:09,640
two weeks

1399
01:06:16,650 --> 01:06:13,720
and he was mad because when he went up

1400
01:06:20,790 --> 01:06:16,660
and he encountered them

1401
01:06:23,760 --> 01:06:20,800
he was upset because they didn't tell

1402
01:06:27,510 --> 01:06:23,770
him that these objects had been seen

1403
01:06:30,150 --> 01:06:27,520
prior so if he was in the need to know

1404
01:06:33,270 --> 01:06:30,160
about everything why wouldn't he have

1405
01:06:36,960 --> 01:06:33,280
known that those things were up there

1406
01:06:38,670 --> 01:06:36,970
that kind of contradicts him in a way of

1407
01:06:42,270 --> 01:06:38,680
him saying he knows everything

1408
01:06:45,030 --> 01:06:42,280
hmm see what I mean yeah so right there

1409
01:06:47,310 --> 01:06:45,040
tells you that obviously he doesn't know

1410
01:06:49,640 --> 01:06:47,320
everything because if he did he would

1411
01:06:53,010 --> 01:06:49,650
have known those things were up there

1412
01:06:56,900 --> 01:06:53,020
that's a pretty good point Dave I know

1413
01:07:00,600 --> 01:06:56,910
that you were pretty involved with this

1414
01:07:02,970 --> 01:07:00,610
this trip going out on the Pacific you

1415
01:07:06,270 --> 01:07:02,980
know a lot about it can you talk just

1416
01:07:09,720 --> 01:07:06,280
fill us in a little bit on that yeah I

1417
01:07:14,849 --> 01:07:09,730
mean right now we're kind of

1418
01:07:16,800 --> 01:07:14,859
cause obviously um so you know although

1419
01:07:20,070 --> 01:07:16,810
we're all doing you know our own

1420
01:07:23,340 --> 01:07:20,080
personal research of what we can to get

1421
01:07:25,830 --> 01:07:23,350
it started you know we really haven't

1422
01:07:28,470 --> 01:07:25,840
been talking much about when we're

1423
01:07:32,430 --> 01:07:28,480
actually going to be going or how long I

1424
01:07:35,190 --> 01:07:32,440
mean until this this virus thing and you

1425
01:07:37,200 --> 01:07:35,200
know the the stay in place goes away

1426
01:07:41,880 --> 01:07:37,210
we're just kind of you know

1427
01:07:45,690 --> 01:07:41,890
wait just waiting yeah you know it all a

1428
01:07:48,210 --> 01:07:45,700
lot of it also depends on funding we've

1429
01:07:51,359 --> 01:07:48,220
got a Kevin Knuth is working on some

1430
01:07:54,720 --> 01:07:51,369
grants you know which is also obviously

1431
01:07:58,770 --> 01:07:54,730
on paws but the one thing I did hear you

1432
01:08:01,410 --> 01:07:58,780
asked about was the technology of what

1433
01:08:06,599 --> 01:08:01,420
type of yeah technology is being

1434
01:08:10,349 --> 01:08:06,609
developed we are speaking with a couple

1435
01:08:13,320 --> 01:08:10,359
of companies that are you know fortune

1436
01:08:15,840 --> 01:08:13,330
500 a I companies technology companies

1437
01:08:20,220 --> 01:08:15,850
that are are willing to work with us and

1438
01:08:22,559 --> 01:08:20,230
help us one of our guys is is a is a

1439
01:08:27,210 --> 01:08:22,569
very smart gentleman named Dave Mason

1440
01:08:30,690 --> 01:08:27,220
and he's been developing some great new

1441
01:08:34,620 --> 01:08:30,700
technology that has to do with you know

1442
01:08:37,829 --> 01:08:34,630
with night vision and all sorts of

1443
01:08:39,780 --> 01:08:37,839
different sonar and radar and we're

1444
01:08:42,570 --> 01:08:39,790
having a lot of things custom custom

1445
01:08:47,039 --> 01:08:42,580
built that has never been used before so

1446
01:08:48,720 --> 01:08:47,049
I guess in a way us having to wait is is

1447
01:08:51,749 --> 01:08:48,730
also a good thing because while we're

1448
01:08:53,910 --> 01:08:51,759
waiting these guys are spending their

1449
01:08:57,990 --> 01:08:53,920
time building new technologies to help

1450
01:09:00,960 --> 01:08:58,000
us yeah oh that that works how about

1451
01:09:05,340 --> 01:09:00,970
that before you go Jason just one one

1452
01:09:06,809 --> 01:09:05,350
other question were you told at the time

1453
01:09:10,140 --> 01:09:06,819
when you saw this video

1454
01:09:11,970 --> 01:09:10,150
were you told anything like well you

1455
01:09:14,160 --> 01:09:11,980
know maybe you shouldn't be seeing this

1456
01:09:18,860 --> 01:09:14,170
or or maybe you shouldn't talk about

1457
01:09:23,769 --> 01:09:18,870
anything like that no that was never

1458
01:09:25,930 --> 01:09:23,779
spoken anybody that I know whoa

1459
01:09:28,090 --> 01:09:25,940
on the ship and I said you know few

1460
01:09:31,629 --> 01:09:28,100
other people that may have bet that when

1461
01:09:34,809 --> 01:09:31,639
those people come and got the Hungarian

1462
01:09:37,059 --> 01:09:34,819
Kevin but no like again it was just

1463
01:09:38,769 --> 01:09:37,069
happen camp that I was there and it

1464
01:09:43,539 --> 01:09:38,779
happened I was kind of under the radar

1465
01:09:45,640 --> 01:09:43,549
and you know here we are yeah

1466
01:09:50,740 --> 01:09:45,650
and and how did you end up coming

1467
01:09:53,709 --> 01:09:50,750
forward with this I saw Dave's video and

1468
01:09:57,700 --> 01:09:53,719
I just contacted actually contacted

1469
01:09:59,709 --> 01:09:57,710
Kevin and of course we all got back

1470
01:10:01,899 --> 01:09:59,719
together and just kind of discussed

1471
01:10:07,689 --> 01:10:01,909
going public with it and they kind of

1472
01:10:10,030 --> 01:10:07,699
encouraged me to talk well I'm glad you

1473
01:10:15,060 --> 01:10:10,040
did too and I sure would love to see

1474
01:10:18,250 --> 01:10:15,070
that video and I tell you those like

1475
01:10:19,570 --> 01:10:18,260
even just from me coming forward we've a

1476
01:10:21,970 --> 01:10:19,580
we've been able to kind of piece

1477
01:10:24,879 --> 01:10:21,980
together all of these little dots that

1478
01:10:26,500 --> 01:10:24,889
are everywhere and you know there's been

1479
01:10:28,450 --> 01:10:26,510
people in the backend that are doing

1480
01:10:30,430 --> 01:10:28,460
open record requests and through the

1481
01:10:33,330 --> 01:10:30,440
Freedom of Information Act and it

1482
01:10:37,629 --> 01:10:33,340
validates everything everybody say and

1483
01:10:39,820 --> 01:10:37,639
to me that's an even bigger victory to

1484
01:10:42,570 --> 01:10:39,830
all of this is now that the government

1485
01:10:46,390 --> 01:10:42,580
is finally having to acknowledge it

1486
01:10:50,080 --> 01:10:46,400
right great that's right well hey thanks

1487
01:10:51,550 --> 01:10:50,090
so much for the call yeah anything else

1488
01:10:53,830 --> 01:10:51,560
I want to put out there why are you

1489
01:10:56,680 --> 01:10:53,840
there why are you run I'm gonna I'm

1490
01:11:00,760 --> 01:10:56,690
gonna I'm gonna post in the chat room

1491
01:11:03,370 --> 01:11:00,770
the UAP expedition website that PJ built

1492
01:11:05,530 --> 01:11:03,380
it's still being made by people can at

1493
01:11:08,500 --> 01:11:05,540
least go and and check out what we got

1494
01:11:09,570 --> 01:11:08,510
up there so far all right all right all

1495
01:11:11,830 --> 01:11:09,580
sounds good

1496
01:11:17,100 --> 01:11:11,840
hey thanks for the call I really

1497
01:11:20,919 --> 01:11:17,110
appreciate it and nice time take care PJ

1498
01:11:23,649 --> 01:11:20,929
right right all right so I'm gonna spill

1499
01:11:28,390 --> 01:11:23,659
the beans the next caller wins a t-shirt

1500
01:11:30,510 --> 01:11:28,400
so if you call in at eight five five

1501
01:11:34,209 --> 01:11:30,520
four seven two five four eight three

1502
01:11:36,070 --> 01:11:34,219
that is we had two callers on this one

1503
01:11:37,180 --> 01:11:36,080
so this would that would be three

1504
01:11:39,700 --> 01:11:37,190
callers altogether this

1505
01:11:41,920 --> 01:11:39,710
be the fourth caller and pj picked

1506
01:11:44,430 --> 01:11:41,930
number four as one of the numbers so

1507
01:11:47,020 --> 01:11:44,440
next caller calls n gets a free t-shirt

1508
01:11:48,729 --> 01:11:47,030
sent to you free and you can pick it out

1509
01:11:51,840 --> 01:11:48,739
and all that stuff that information is

1510
01:11:54,520 --> 01:11:51,850
all on podcast UFO comm we have a link

1511
01:11:58,060 --> 01:11:54,530
that I forget exactly what it says

1512
01:12:00,400 --> 01:11:58,070
something like items I don't know if it

1513
01:12:02,290 --> 01:12:00,410
says t-shirts no I never look at my own

1514
01:12:04,360 --> 01:12:02,300
website but it's over there I think it

1515
01:12:10,320 --> 01:12:04,370
says merchandise I believe so

1516
01:12:14,020 --> 01:12:10,330
anyway the number the line is open so so

1517
01:12:18,550 --> 01:12:14,030
PJ had you been in touch with the Jason

1518
01:12:21,310 --> 01:12:18,560
all along him and I reached out to Dave

1519
01:12:24,550 --> 01:12:21,320
Beatty roughly the same time I see we

1520
01:12:26,490 --> 01:12:24,560
actually have a little facebook chat the

1521
01:12:30,130 --> 01:12:26,500
group of us are in and we talked

1522
01:12:32,439 --> 01:12:30,140
relatively Bailey almost oh wow great

1523
01:12:35,770 --> 01:12:32,449
alright so I'm gonna pull over the

1524
01:12:37,180 --> 01:12:35,780
t-shirts so someone can look at it we do

1525
01:12:40,870 --> 01:12:37,190
have someone that just called in and

1526
01:12:43,090 --> 01:12:40,880
they are a lucky winner of the t-shirt I

1527
01:12:45,900 --> 01:12:43,100
just don't see their name there yet

1528
01:12:48,610 --> 01:12:45,910
oh they're being screened right now so

1529
01:12:51,040 --> 01:12:48,620
do you think that there is a future

1530
01:12:52,540 --> 01:12:51,050
where someone will actually figure out

1531
01:12:53,939 --> 01:12:52,550
what these things are do you think it's

1532
01:12:57,729 --> 01:12:53,949
hopeless

1533
01:12:59,110 --> 01:12:57,739
um at some point we're gonna find out

1534
01:13:02,439 --> 01:12:59,120
what it is I don't know what the

1535
01:13:03,310 --> 01:13:02,449
timeline is but at some point the answer

1536
01:13:06,580 --> 01:13:03,320
is gonna come out

1537
01:13:10,180 --> 01:13:06,590
I hope it's before I die yeah yeah that

1538
01:13:14,050 --> 01:13:10,190
would be really great to to know what

1539
01:13:17,380 --> 01:13:14,060
these things are and you know again on

1540
01:13:19,870 --> 01:13:17,390
this show I try to stay away from saying

1541
01:13:24,220 --> 01:13:19,880
that I know what these are but they

1542
01:13:27,340 --> 01:13:24,230
certainly do have capabilities that are

1543
01:13:31,840 --> 01:13:27,350
just not known that we know about as far

1544
01:13:37,360 --> 01:13:31,850
as I know a lot of physics alone yeah I

1545
01:13:41,020 --> 01:13:37,370
don't even find what we know yep all

1546
01:13:43,900 --> 01:13:41,030
right very good so we have Ron calling

1547
01:13:45,400 --> 01:13:43,910
from Minnesota and I understand that the

1548
01:13:47,770 --> 01:13:45,410
screener has taken all your information

1549
01:13:50,120 --> 01:13:47,780
for the t-shirt congratulations you got

1550
01:13:54,340 --> 01:13:50,130
yourself a teacher

1551
01:13:58,840 --> 01:13:54,350
thank you thank you Mark sure yes I

1552
01:14:06,650 --> 01:13:58,850
tuned in late sorry about that but I

1553
01:14:09,650 --> 01:14:06,660
remembered that it was on anyway thank

1554
01:14:13,850 --> 01:14:09,660
you thank you what do you what do you

1555
01:14:17,750 --> 01:14:13,860
think about the attack situation what do

1556
01:14:20,840 --> 01:14:17,760
you think it actually is and what do you

1557
01:14:23,440 --> 01:14:20,850
what do you think about moving forward

1558
01:14:27,860 --> 01:14:23,450
with doing a research as far as

1559
01:14:31,070 --> 01:14:27,870
evaluating what what we are looking at

1560
01:14:38,350 --> 01:14:31,080
and should we be concerned about our

1561
01:14:43,340 --> 01:14:38,360
safety and security and Alecto um I

1562
01:14:45,560 --> 01:14:43,350
don't know what it is I would like to

1563
01:14:47,420 --> 01:14:45,570
think it's our technology it could be

1564
01:14:52,610 --> 01:14:47,430
alien technology I don't know there's

1565
01:14:55,310 --> 01:14:52,620
not enough evidence either way as for

1566
01:14:57,220 --> 01:14:55,320
who's researching it I know we are as a

1567
01:15:01,310 --> 01:14:57,230
group with you a px

1568
01:15:03,950 --> 01:15:01,320
I'm sure T TSA is still looking into it

1569
01:15:06,200 --> 01:15:03,960
and who knows what other organizations

1570
01:15:10,280 --> 01:15:06,210
may or may not be looking into it I

1571
01:15:11,780 --> 01:15:10,290
don't know that answer as for do we have

1572
01:15:14,750 --> 01:15:11,790
to be scared about it I don't really

1573
01:15:16,970 --> 01:15:14,760
know I mean it it showed no outward

1574
01:15:20,150 --> 01:15:16,980
hostile actions when we interacted with

1575
01:15:24,770 --> 01:15:20,160
it it seemed like from the descriptions

1576
01:15:26,300 --> 01:15:24,780
given by flavor and all the other pilots

1577
01:15:29,780 --> 01:15:26,310
who saw it he might be was just toying

1578
01:15:32,300 --> 01:15:29,790
with us they never tried to hurt anybody

1579
01:15:34,310 --> 01:15:32,310
never tried to harm us so I wouldn't

1580
01:15:36,280 --> 01:15:34,320
think we need to be scared of it that's

1581
01:15:38,720 --> 01:15:36,290
just my opinion

1582
01:15:41,720 --> 01:15:38,730
thank you very much thank you for your

1583
01:15:44,240 --> 01:15:41,730
time and your and your work you're doing

1584
01:15:46,850 --> 01:15:44,250
Thank You Martin you're home all right

1585
01:15:48,500 --> 01:15:46,860
no and you'll get a t-shirt you gotta

1586
01:15:50,600 --> 01:15:48,510
just go to our website and pick it out

1587
01:15:53,600 --> 01:15:50,610
why don't you email me I know he got his

1588
01:15:55,910 --> 01:15:53,610
his uh he got your information but you

1589
01:15:58,970 --> 01:15:55,920
want to go to my website and check out

1590
01:16:02,000 --> 01:15:58,980
of the type of t-shirt and and it's

1591
01:16:04,360 --> 01:16:02,010
yours we'll get it out to you all right

1592
01:16:06,830 --> 01:16:04,370
thank you very much all right take care

1593
01:16:11,510 --> 01:16:06,840
alright so there's still something to be

1594
01:16:13,520 --> 01:16:11,520
won by an upcoming caller and anyway

1595
01:16:17,300 --> 01:16:13,530
that number is eight five five four

1596
01:16:19,880 --> 01:16:17,310
seven two five four eight three yeah I

1597
01:16:22,970 --> 01:16:19,890
mean right off the bat I would say that

1598
01:16:25,790 --> 01:16:22,980
if if you can't replicate what's going

1599
01:16:27,110 --> 01:16:25,800
on with that technology it can be scary

1600
01:16:29,899 --> 01:16:27,120
you know that's something you don't hear

1601
01:16:32,600 --> 01:16:29,909
a lot of people really talking about but

1602
01:16:36,320 --> 01:16:32,610
I mean think of the capabilities if it

1603
01:16:39,560 --> 01:16:36,330
could do I mean that I mean we we saw or

1604
01:16:41,840 --> 01:16:39,570
you saw or they saw what it could do but

1605
01:16:43,959 --> 01:16:41,850
not everything it could do you know we

1606
01:16:48,800 --> 01:16:43,969
have no idea what else we they do

1607
01:16:51,010 --> 01:16:48,810
I'm sure there's there's a lot of okay

1608
01:16:55,419 --> 01:16:51,020
there's still a lot of unknown with it

1609
01:16:59,870 --> 01:16:55,429
but they said just based on what we saw

1610
01:17:02,720 --> 01:16:59,880
it could be you know in LA and then you

1611
01:17:06,140 --> 01:17:02,730
know thirty seconds later be over China

1612
01:17:08,689 --> 01:17:06,150
or yeah now like there's no telling how

1613
01:17:11,930 --> 01:17:08,699
fast it could truly go or what its

1614
01:17:13,430 --> 01:17:11,940
limits off yeah no yeah that's that's

1615
01:17:15,770 --> 01:17:13,440
that's something never really thought of

1616
01:17:19,850 --> 01:17:15,780
but you we really don't know if that was

1617
01:17:22,580 --> 01:17:19,860
full speed ahead what it was doing you

1618
01:17:23,090 --> 01:17:22,590
know yeah that may have been just half

1619
01:17:26,540 --> 01:17:23,100
throttle

1620
01:17:29,479 --> 01:17:26,550
you never know okay I'm ready to take we

1621
01:17:32,060 --> 01:17:29,489
have another caller and that's we have

1622
01:17:35,149 --> 01:17:32,070
Chris calling from Houston how are you

1623
01:17:35,990 --> 01:17:35,159
Chris welcome to the show hi thanks for

1624
01:17:40,130 --> 01:17:36,000
having me

1625
01:17:43,100 --> 01:17:40,140
I I called a couple weeks ago few weeks

1626
01:17:46,090 --> 01:17:43,110
ago and you mention that I should call

1627
01:17:49,790 --> 01:17:46,100
uh of course great classic right Oh a

1628
01:17:52,760 --> 01:17:49,800
couple of about the tic-tacs and we had

1629
01:17:53,120 --> 01:17:52,770
spoken a bit about what they might be or

1630
01:17:56,510 --> 01:17:53,130
not be

1631
01:17:59,240 --> 01:17:56,520
and so I had a couple of analogy of what

1632
01:18:00,830 --> 01:17:59,250
a throw past your guests and cn2 they

1633
01:18:03,290 --> 01:18:00,840
have question but the question comes

1634
01:18:06,380 --> 01:18:03,300
from the analogies one is the behavior

1635
01:18:08,899 --> 01:18:06,390
of these things and seems like in one

1636
01:18:12,020 --> 01:18:08,909
way sir like a laser they keep like

1637
01:18:15,080 --> 01:18:12,030
point to make a cat chase after it and

1638
01:18:17,209 --> 01:18:15,090
so you know in the speed of the movement

1639
01:18:17,750 --> 01:18:17,219
have no from place to place mind at the

1640
01:18:19,610 --> 01:18:17,760
tone

1641
01:18:22,340 --> 01:18:19,620
and I think you know if you had

1642
01:18:26,479 --> 01:18:22,350
something that was like triangulated

1643
01:18:28,460 --> 01:18:26,489
lasers from from orbit that I mean it is

1644
01:18:30,890 --> 01:18:28,470
it theoretically possible to create a

1645
01:18:33,830 --> 01:18:30,900
three-dimensional image that bounces

1646
01:18:37,190 --> 01:18:33,840
back instrumentation signals to aircraft

1647
01:18:38,600 --> 01:18:37,200
that reads like an object and visually

1648
01:18:41,150 --> 01:18:38,610
looks like an object but is not an

1649
01:18:44,510 --> 01:18:41,160
object so that's one analogy as the

1650
01:18:50,720 --> 01:18:44,520
laser pointer and the cats chase the

1651
01:18:52,430 --> 01:18:50,730
other one would be a whole gear now

1652
01:18:54,710 --> 01:18:52,440
forgotten the second analogy well just

1653
01:18:58,070 --> 01:18:54,720
go with the first analogy so the

1654
01:19:00,260 --> 01:18:58,080
question is do without getting into

1655
01:19:03,410 --> 01:19:00,270
specifics the kind of instruments that

1656
01:19:05,450 --> 01:19:03,420
we have would we be able to know that

1657
01:19:11,350 --> 01:19:05,460
something that reads like an object is

1658
01:19:15,050 --> 01:19:11,360
really an object that's short answer is

1659
01:19:17,180 --> 01:19:15,060
yes it is arenites an outside

1660
01:19:21,560 --> 01:19:17,190
possibility that whatever technology

1661
01:19:25,640 --> 01:19:21,570
that was couldn't wear you know might

1662
01:19:30,440 --> 01:19:25,650
not be able to verify it but based on

1663
01:19:32,780 --> 01:19:30,450
what I know about my radar my ESM and

1664
01:19:35,540 --> 01:19:32,790
all the other things in use on my

1665
01:19:41,600 --> 01:19:35,550
airplane what I know about the

1666
01:19:44,200 --> 01:19:41,610
Princeton's radar there's no way you're

1667
01:19:47,450 --> 01:19:44,210
going to be able to fool all of them

1668
01:19:52,850 --> 01:19:47,460
with a Tec with a hologram technology or

1669
01:19:57,050 --> 01:19:52,860
a you know technology those lines is it

1670
01:19:59,300 --> 01:19:57,060
possible to slip past one of them yeah

1671
01:20:01,010 --> 01:19:59,310
you know you can technically Jam one of

1672
01:20:05,600 --> 01:20:01,020
them if you've really really tried hard

1673
01:20:09,470 --> 01:20:05,610
but getting past all of them and fooling

1674
01:20:12,260 --> 01:20:09,480
all of them I don't see it happening

1675
01:20:19,180 --> 01:20:12,270
based on the capabilities of that

1676
01:20:21,410 --> 01:20:19,190
technology yeah awesome answer I think I

1677
01:20:24,170 --> 01:20:21,420
yeah I thought the other analogy and

1678
01:20:25,610 --> 01:20:24,180
that is when we if you were down in a

1679
01:20:29,000 --> 01:20:25,620
trench at the bottom of the ocean and

1680
01:20:30,680 --> 01:20:29,010
you encountered a an instrument or

1681
01:20:32,000 --> 01:20:30,690
something unusual that wasn't supposed

1682
01:20:34,790 --> 01:20:32,010
to be there

1683
01:20:38,930 --> 01:20:34,800
that behave like nothing else there and

1684
01:20:40,940 --> 01:20:38,940
and it was coming from those surface

1685
01:20:42,740 --> 01:20:40,950
what would you assume it was and what it

1686
01:20:45,650 --> 01:20:42,750
probably would be would be a research

1687
01:20:47,840 --> 01:20:45,660
drone or an instrument taking readings

1688
01:20:50,000 --> 01:20:47,850
doing research observing with no living

1689
01:20:52,820 --> 01:20:50,010
being on board sending images to

1690
01:20:55,520 --> 01:20:52,830
somewhere else so in this if you think

1691
01:20:56,870 --> 01:20:55,530
the atmosphere is the ocean I mean it

1692
01:20:59,930 --> 01:20:56,880
could be that these things are just

1693
01:21:02,360 --> 01:20:59,940
instruments taking readings so that's it

1694
01:21:05,020 --> 01:21:02,370
I love you coming I'll take it off here

1695
01:21:14,780 --> 01:21:05,030
thanks so much thank you great Cheryl

1696
01:21:19,640 --> 01:21:14,790
thanks I mean it's it's possible it was

1697
01:21:22,280 --> 01:21:19,650
a I mean obviously it could be a drone

1698
01:21:24,380 --> 01:21:22,290
it could be some sort of research

1699
01:21:27,530 --> 01:21:24,390
technology bouncing around learning

1700
01:21:29,990 --> 01:21:27,540
things there's some speculation that it

1701
01:21:36,820 --> 01:21:30,000
was chasing after the whales for for all

1702
01:21:42,830 --> 01:21:39,740
yeah that's a whale migration direct ray

1703
01:21:46,190 --> 01:21:42,840
it happens right there right I think

1704
01:21:48,470 --> 01:21:46,200
it's right along the coast there yeah we

1705
01:21:51,320 --> 01:21:48,480
have a question that came in from

1706
01:21:54,710 --> 01:21:51,330
ufologist on chat he wanted me to ask

1707
01:22:00,830 --> 01:21:54,720
you if you ever saw anything any type of

1708
01:22:03,800 --> 01:22:00,840
UFO prior or since I have not I said I

1709
01:22:10,970 --> 01:22:03,810
also really have been looking closest to

1710
01:22:14,960 --> 01:22:10,980
anything I seem was doing a night-vision

1711
01:22:17,720 --> 01:22:14,970
goggle sky tour thing out in Laughlin

1712
01:22:21,890 --> 01:22:17,730
Nevada when we did when the group of us

1713
01:22:25,250 --> 01:22:21,900
went out to Megacon last year and there

1714
01:22:27,290 --> 01:22:25,260
was a lot of stuff in the sky I know

1715
01:22:28,940 --> 01:22:27,300
some of them are satellites but other

1716
01:22:30,920 --> 01:22:28,950
ones who knows what they were I don't

1717
01:22:32,570 --> 01:22:30,930
know what they were but all I saw was a

1718
01:22:35,570 --> 01:22:32,580
little green dot on the black screen so

1719
01:22:37,840 --> 01:22:35,580
it's kind of hard to say yeah well I'll

1720
01:22:41,660 --> 01:22:37,850
tell you once you have a UFO sighting

1721
01:22:43,610 --> 01:22:41,670
you will look up in the sky that's what

1722
01:22:44,910 --> 01:22:43,620
I found that's what I found for myself

1723
01:22:46,740 --> 01:22:44,920
once I you know

1724
01:22:48,870 --> 01:22:46,750
I had my sighting I'm always looking I

1725
01:22:52,040 --> 01:22:48,880
can't help but look but I also like

1726
01:22:57,510 --> 01:22:52,050
astronomy as well what's that I am 100%

1727
01:23:01,560 --> 01:22:57,520
open to - UFOs - aliens - - all of that

1728
01:23:05,310 --> 01:23:01,570
I'm not I'm not a skeptic I'm not yeah I

1729
01:23:07,470 --> 01:23:05,320
just kind of need to see for myself

1730
01:23:10,110 --> 01:23:07,480
yeah it happened I'd be all for it yeah

1731
01:23:13,320 --> 01:23:10,120
yeah you guys be the first to know right

1732
01:23:15,630 --> 01:23:13,330
and you know a lot of a lot of I wonder

1733
01:23:17,669 --> 01:23:15,640
how many skeptics would change their

1734
01:23:19,140 --> 01:23:17,679
mind on this if they actually saw

1735
01:23:21,209 --> 01:23:19,150
something themselves you know I mean

1736
01:23:22,709 --> 01:23:21,219
would they or would they not you know

1737
01:23:25,890 --> 01:23:22,719
who knows

1738
01:23:27,360 --> 01:23:25,900
I had Seth Shostak on and you know he he

1739
01:23:30,270 --> 01:23:27,370
said I saw something that I thought was

1740
01:23:32,550 --> 01:23:30,280
UFO once and it was a missile launch off

1741
01:23:34,680 --> 01:23:32,560
off of California which they are

1742
01:23:37,979 --> 01:23:34,690
spectacular they can be spectacular in

1743
01:23:39,720 --> 01:23:37,989
the upper atmosphere so a lot of people

1744
01:23:42,510 --> 01:23:39,730
do see those and think you know right

1745
01:23:44,070 --> 01:23:42,520
off the bat that's what it's a UFO it is

1746
01:23:47,850 --> 01:23:44,080
a UFO until you know what it is

1747
01:23:51,300 --> 01:23:47,860
basically but it has the rap you know

1748
01:23:52,380 --> 01:23:51,310
the bad yes you ap you can call it that

1749
01:23:58,080 --> 01:23:52,390
whatever you want I should have named

1750
01:24:01,110 --> 01:23:58,090
this show podcast you of UAP anyway the

1751
01:24:03,600 --> 01:24:01,120
number is the lines open and next caller

1752
01:24:09,780 --> 01:24:03,610
wins artwork so eight five five four

1753
01:24:13,200 --> 01:24:09,790
seven two five four eight three and so I

1754
01:24:15,930 --> 01:24:13,210
guess I'd have to ask you you know when

1755
01:24:18,060 --> 01:24:15,940
you reflect on this whole thing and I

1756
01:24:19,320 --> 01:24:18,070
just saw your your message in chat do

1757
01:24:20,340 --> 01:24:19,330
you you don't think this whole thing was

1758
01:24:27,750 --> 01:24:20,350
that big of a deal

1759
01:24:32,820 --> 01:24:27,760
and overall or yes and no I mean based

1760
01:24:35,669 --> 01:24:32,830
on everything that's come to light since

1761
01:24:41,100 --> 01:24:35,679
you know we've gone public and we've

1762
01:24:43,169 --> 01:24:41,110
learned a whole bunch but at the same

1763
01:24:45,780 --> 01:24:43,179
time it without knowing the answer it's

1764
01:24:49,620 --> 01:24:45,790
kind of hard to kind of hard to get

1765
01:24:52,110 --> 01:24:49,630
excited about it yeah yeah I know that

1766
01:24:56,450 --> 01:24:52,120
that is that is probably frustrating in

1767
01:24:58,950 --> 01:24:56,460
a way and do you have like a network

1768
01:25:01,229 --> 01:24:58,960
like the private Facebook page too

1769
01:25:02,910 --> 01:25:01,239
a network where you communicate or just

1770
01:25:07,170 --> 01:25:02,920
each other's email addresses that you

1771
01:25:09,390 --> 01:25:07,180
you talk to other people involved the

1772
01:25:11,400 --> 01:25:09,400
like said that the group of us on

1773
01:25:13,830 --> 01:25:11,410
Facebook have a group chat that we stay

1774
01:25:18,270 --> 01:25:13,840
in touch in I see oh I got it the group

1775
01:25:23,820 --> 01:25:18,280
chat all right yeah we've named the the

1776
01:25:26,220 --> 01:25:23,830
oh jeez it's just that the small group

1777
01:25:29,100 --> 01:25:26,230
or the original ones of us that you know

1778
01:25:31,170 --> 01:25:29,110
we talk about how we share stuff we we

1779
01:25:33,630 --> 01:25:31,180
help Dave Beatty vet people we do all

1780
01:25:35,670 --> 01:25:33,640
kinds of random stuff now tonight here

1781
01:25:38,250 --> 01:25:35,680
not that long ago that someone else came

1782
01:25:43,650 --> 01:25:38,260
forward maybe about six months ago or

1783
01:25:47,310 --> 01:25:43,660
something like that there is Ryan Wiggly

1784
01:25:49,560 --> 01:25:47,320
I'm not sure his last name who was

1785
01:25:54,330 --> 01:25:49,570
attached to the helicopter squadron on

1786
01:25:56,430 --> 01:25:54,340
the Princeton that came forward yeah

1787
01:26:00,000 --> 01:25:56,440
probably six five six months ago now

1788
01:26:03,330 --> 01:26:00,010
couple months ago and clarified and

1789
01:26:05,910 --> 01:26:03,340
verified parts of Gary Voorhees his

1790
01:26:10,290 --> 01:26:05,920
story about guys coming on to the

1791
01:26:12,090 --> 01:26:10,300
Princeton to take all Gary escapes the

1792
01:26:15,750 --> 01:26:12,100
guys getting off the helicopter walking

1793
01:26:19,950 --> 01:26:15,760
onto the ship etc etc he was witnessed

1794
01:26:24,600 --> 01:26:19,960
all that because he was he was one of

1795
01:26:25,979 --> 01:26:24,610
the helicopter mechanics Princeton and I

1796
01:26:29,220 --> 01:26:25,989
know eight he's working on some other

1797
01:26:31,800 --> 01:26:29,230
guys here and there so yeah and he does

1798
01:26:33,870 --> 01:26:31,810
he does he add the interviews separately

1799
01:26:36,840 --> 01:26:33,880
on his youtube channel which is very

1800
01:26:40,740 --> 01:26:36,850
popular by the way I think he's he's got

1801
01:26:46,320 --> 01:26:40,750
millions of hits on tremendous I mean he

1802
01:26:49,260 --> 01:26:46,330
he had a version of it that just Gary

1803
01:26:52,220 --> 01:26:49,270
and Kevin day helped him create yeah

1804
01:26:55,530 --> 01:26:52,230
then when he flew out to Megacon with us

1805
01:26:58,729 --> 01:26:55,540
he dragged us out to the desert made me

1806
01:27:01,560 --> 01:26:58,739
go for a hike which I did not like and

1807
01:27:03,959 --> 01:27:01,570
far enough and got you know some

1808
01:27:05,550 --> 01:27:03,969
in-depth interviews and those raw

1809
01:27:07,620 --> 01:27:05,560
interview footage for those raw

1810
01:27:10,620 --> 01:27:07,630
interviews he's also shared on his

1811
01:27:12,839 --> 01:27:10,630
channel but he recorded all that to

1812
01:27:15,299 --> 01:27:12,849
extend and make

1813
01:27:19,319 --> 01:27:15,309
his nimitz encounters video which you

1814
01:27:21,810 --> 01:27:19,329
can see up in the corner behind me yep

1815
01:27:23,399 --> 01:27:21,820
to make that longer and he since done

1816
01:27:25,199 --> 01:27:23,409
other interviews like I believe he's got

1817
01:27:29,489 --> 01:27:25,209
Ryan out there he's got Omar Laura up

1818
01:27:31,890 --> 01:27:29,499
there oh yeah I remember when Omar came

1819
01:27:34,549 --> 01:27:31,900
forward I remember that that was was

1820
01:27:40,589 --> 01:27:34,559
that like a year ago or something um

1821
01:27:44,310 --> 01:27:40,599
yeah a couple months after after Gary I

1822
01:27:46,140 --> 01:27:44,320
came forward game following yeah and you

1823
01:27:49,679 --> 01:27:46,150
know by more people coming forward it

1824
01:27:53,100 --> 01:27:49,689
does actually solidify things not that

1825
01:27:55,560 --> 01:27:53,110
we need you know it to be solidified but

1826
01:27:57,270 --> 01:27:55,570
it does you know it just helps you know

1827
01:28:01,049 --> 01:27:57,280
the more people that come forward but

1828
01:28:03,000 --> 01:28:01,059
still you know it doesn't really change

1829
01:28:05,040 --> 01:28:03,010
anything really does it because we

1830
01:28:07,679 --> 01:28:05,050
really don't know too much so it looks

1831
01:28:12,899 --> 01:28:07,689
like you're gonna be sending artwork to

1832
01:28:14,939 --> 01:28:12,909
Norway oh okay sure we have Bart from

1833
01:28:19,560 --> 01:28:14,949
Norway Bart welcome to the show you get

1834
01:28:22,290 --> 01:28:19,570
some artwork coming your way and yeah

1835
01:28:24,089 --> 01:28:22,300
I'm sure you're gonna have to you're

1836
01:28:27,089 --> 01:28:24,099
gonna have to email me and my contact

1837
01:28:29,069 --> 01:28:27,099
information is right on my website but

1838
01:28:32,310 --> 01:28:29,079
go ahead and do that and I'll get this

1839
01:28:34,439 --> 01:28:32,320
sent out to you no problem

1840
01:28:37,199 --> 01:28:34,449
yeah I've seen a couple of emails to you

1841
01:28:42,750 --> 01:28:37,209
last week actually so it's no problem I

1842
01:28:45,770 --> 01:28:42,760
can find it easy oh okay yeah cool you

1843
01:28:48,899 --> 01:28:45,780
have a question for our guest

1844
01:28:51,049 --> 01:28:48,909
um yeah corner first I just wanted to

1845
01:28:53,939 --> 01:28:51,059
say yeah thanks for the show Matt it's

1846
01:28:56,129 --> 01:28:53,949
my favorite show is one of the first

1847
01:28:58,439 --> 01:28:56,139
ones I found and I've been listening to

1848
01:29:01,799 --> 01:28:58,449
you for years and so you keep up the

1849
01:29:04,529 --> 01:29:01,809
good work thank you and I just want to

1850
01:29:10,100 --> 01:29:04,539
say yeah don't roll them it's uh yeah

1851
01:29:10,110 --> 01:29:24,229
Kaman and Garrison

1852
01:29:27,390 --> 01:29:26,009
Bart really

1853
01:29:29,310 --> 01:29:27,400
but we're having trouble with your phone

1854
01:29:32,609 --> 01:29:29,320
I don't know if it's the way it's

1855
01:29:34,350 --> 01:29:32,619
positioned or not but why don't you go

1856
01:29:38,879 --> 01:29:34,360
ahead again we didn't hear what you just

1857
01:29:42,239 --> 01:29:38,889
said okay I'm sorry again I just wanted

1858
01:29:45,899 --> 01:29:42,249
to say thanks to PJ and Auntie Jason and

1859
01:29:47,640 --> 01:29:45,909
can also to Gary if he's listening for

1860
01:29:49,470 --> 01:29:47,650
how the how approachable they are on

1861
01:29:52,859 --> 01:29:49,480
Twitter and how good they are at getting

1862
01:29:54,149 --> 01:29:52,869
back to people and answering questions

1863
01:29:56,520 --> 01:29:54,159
that's one of the reasons I don't have

1864
01:29:57,899 --> 01:29:56,530
too many questions because the guys have

1865
01:30:00,419 --> 01:29:57,909
been really good at answering my

1866
01:30:02,729 --> 01:30:00,429
questions on Twitter all right

1867
01:30:05,160 --> 01:30:02,739
I just want to but I'm yeah I just want

1868
01:30:07,799 --> 01:30:05,170
to live know that and and also I do have

1869
01:30:09,899 --> 01:30:07,809
a question about Omar story I know it's

1870
01:30:12,029 --> 01:30:09,909
been says really fascinated by that

1871
01:30:14,430 --> 01:30:12,039
story and I know it's been said that

1872
01:30:18,239 --> 01:30:14,440
that maybe there's more witnesses coming

1873
01:30:21,180 --> 01:30:18,249
forward with his part of the story

1874
01:30:23,189 --> 01:30:21,190
and I was also curious that if it

1875
01:30:26,489 --> 01:30:23,199
happened so close to the ship wouldn't

1876
01:30:28,709 --> 01:30:26,499
there be radar data on on that incident

1877
01:30:32,759 --> 01:30:28,719
as well and it's just wondering what PJ

1878
01:30:36,569 --> 01:30:32,769
told about that the radars in use on the

1879
01:30:38,339 --> 01:30:36,579
Nimitz are more meant for lack of a

1880
01:30:43,830 --> 01:30:38,349
better term air traffic control than

1881
01:30:46,009 --> 01:30:43,840
anything else but I have to believe that

1882
01:30:49,830 --> 01:30:46,019
right after they left my work space

1883
01:30:52,799 --> 01:30:49,840
right at the end of my passageway is the

1884
01:30:56,359 --> 01:30:52,809
spaces where they had all the Nimitz's

1885
01:30:58,709 --> 01:30:56,369
data and I have no evidence and no

1886
01:31:03,859 --> 01:30:58,719
verification but I'm pretty sure they

1887
01:31:06,149 --> 01:31:03,869
probably took all their stuff too yeah

1888
01:31:11,220 --> 01:31:06,159
yeah I did I just think that's a really

1889
01:31:13,109 --> 01:31:11,230
interesting part of the story that that

1890
01:31:16,470 --> 01:31:13,119
incident be really nice to have more

1891
01:31:18,390 --> 01:31:16,480
more information and any hear more

1892
01:31:24,479 --> 01:31:18,400
people talking about it

1893
01:31:30,029 --> 01:31:24,489
yeah it would be anything else part no

1894
01:31:30,299 --> 01:31:30,039
that's it thank you - all right thanks

1895
01:31:32,640 --> 01:31:30,309
Mike

1896
01:31:36,270 --> 01:31:32,650
have a good night bill the nice for you

1897
01:31:37,290 --> 01:31:36,280
there have a good one yeah I think it's

1898
01:31:38,459 --> 01:31:37,300
probably like two or three in the

1899
01:31:39,639 --> 01:31:38,469
morning over there right now I'm not

1900
01:31:43,199 --> 01:31:39,649
sure it's late

1901
01:31:47,319 --> 01:31:43,209
yeah not a [\h__\h] I'm already tired I

1902
01:31:49,959 --> 01:31:47,329
know yeah um you know one of the things

1903
01:31:52,750 --> 01:31:49,969
I think I said this to Kevin day and and

1904
01:31:55,299 --> 01:31:52,760
it's just a curious question and would

1905
01:31:55,509 --> 01:31:55,309
be interesting to get your your take on

1906
01:32:09,609 --> 01:31:55,519
it

1907
01:32:11,919 --> 01:32:09,619
had mentioned he you know they had been

1908
01:32:15,369 --> 01:32:11,929
seeing these things these objects for a

1909
01:32:17,259 --> 01:32:15,379
while and I'm not sure exactly what made

1910
01:32:19,989 --> 01:32:17,269
them finally you know go out to the area

1911
01:32:22,359 --> 01:32:19,999
where the objects were but but it just

1912
01:32:24,969 --> 01:32:22,369
seems to me that okay they spotted it

1913
01:32:26,379 --> 01:32:24,979
they saw it wouldn't they want to really

1914
01:32:28,479 --> 01:32:26,389
look into it I mean they have this

1915
01:32:30,369 --> 01:32:28,489
opportunity where they could really try

1916
01:32:32,699 --> 01:32:30,379
to figure out what's going on and that

1917
01:32:35,739 --> 01:32:32,709
just puzzles me I mean the one thing

1918
01:32:38,049 --> 01:32:35,749
everybody has to realize is what we were

1919
01:32:39,369 --> 01:32:38,059
actually doing out there what the

1920
01:32:41,379 --> 01:32:39,379
Princeton was out there for what the

1921
01:32:43,149 --> 01:32:41,389
Nimitz was out there for the Air Wing we

1922
01:32:47,830 --> 01:32:43,159
were out there to train for a deployment

1923
01:32:51,419 --> 01:32:47,840
mm-hmm we there's such a tight schedule

1924
01:32:55,000 --> 01:32:51,429
for everything that needs to be done

1925
01:32:56,290 --> 01:32:55,010
they're not they're not straying from

1926
01:32:59,319 --> 01:32:56,300
that schedule unless they absolutely

1927
01:33:02,709 --> 01:32:59,329
have to one of the reasons Kevin Day was

1928
01:33:06,219 --> 01:33:02,719
able to get them to divert fighters was

1929
01:33:11,290 --> 01:33:06,229
because one he pretty much pestered his

1930
01:33:14,259 --> 01:33:11,300
his Co to doing it oh so he heard about

1931
01:33:17,830 --> 01:33:14,269
it before he he heard about it before he

1932
01:33:21,669 --> 01:33:17,840
actually went out he heard this was

1933
01:33:24,250 --> 01:33:21,679
going on Kevin day no it was Kevin day

1934
01:33:26,859 --> 01:33:24,260
that pestered I see I'm sorry I was

1935
01:33:28,149 --> 01:33:26,869
thinking you said Dave yeah okay no I if

1936
01:33:33,729 --> 01:33:28,159
I did I didn't mean to I meant Kevin

1937
01:33:35,830 --> 01:33:33,739
yeah he he he called it a safety of

1938
01:33:39,040 --> 01:33:35,840
flight issue because these things were

1939
01:33:41,339 --> 01:33:39,050
in our our airspace they're big chunks

1940
01:33:46,149 --> 01:33:41,349
of airspace off the coast of California

1941
01:33:48,279 --> 01:33:46,159
that our exclusion zones for everybody

1942
01:33:53,320 --> 01:33:48,289
else but the military that's where we go

1943
01:33:56,010 --> 01:33:53,330
do our training so when you

1944
01:33:59,530 --> 01:33:56,020
he just happened to honestly get lucky

1945
01:34:02,950 --> 01:33:59,540
he had fighters in the air at the right

1946
01:34:05,350 --> 01:34:02,960
time he had an object on radar at the

1947
01:34:07,090 --> 01:34:05,360
right time and his his commanding

1948
01:34:10,630 --> 01:34:07,100
officer just happened to be like okay

1949
01:34:13,150 --> 01:34:10,640
well let's go look you know that could

1950
01:34:15,430 --> 01:34:13,160
have just as easily not happened they

1951
01:34:16,990 --> 01:34:15,440
could have just as easily kept the

1952
01:34:19,209 --> 01:34:17,000
fighters in the air defense exercise

1953
01:34:22,690 --> 01:34:19,219
training and never gone to look at it I

1954
01:34:24,160 --> 01:34:22,700
see yeah and what about the the mystery

1955
01:34:27,070 --> 01:34:24,170
of this thing I think they call it the

1956
01:34:29,320 --> 01:34:27,080
cat point yes yeah

1957
01:34:31,600 --> 01:34:29,330
can you explain that can you explain

1958
01:34:35,320 --> 01:34:31,610
what happened to the person I may not

1959
01:34:38,800 --> 01:34:35,330
know this the cat point is combat air

1960
01:34:41,680 --> 01:34:38,810
patrol it's a made-up point in the sky

1961
01:34:45,640 --> 01:34:41,690
it's a made-up latitude longitude and

1962
01:34:48,880 --> 01:34:45,650
altitude and that's where they go do

1963
01:34:52,410 --> 01:34:48,890
circles until they're needed mean the

1964
01:34:56,200 --> 01:34:52,420
point changes all the time it's made up

1965
01:34:57,490 --> 01:34:56,210
during mission briefing based on where

1966
01:35:01,360 --> 01:34:57,500
they're going to train and what they're

1967
01:35:03,729 --> 01:35:01,370
doing you know it's not it's not a

1968
01:35:05,560 --> 01:35:03,739
standard point it's not a routine point

1969
01:35:07,840 --> 01:35:05,570
it's not something they use all the time

1970
01:35:12,820 --> 01:35:07,850
it's relatively different all the time

1971
01:35:16,920 --> 01:35:12,830
so the fact that that object knew where

1972
01:35:19,540 --> 01:35:16,930
that cat point was is one of the biggest

1973
01:35:21,729 --> 01:35:19,550
confusing things to this whole story for

1974
01:35:23,170 --> 01:35:21,739
me to wrap my head around because it's

1975
01:35:26,170 --> 01:35:23,180
not something they talked about over the

1976
01:35:29,620 --> 01:35:26,180
radio it's not something that was really

1977
01:35:33,850 --> 01:35:29,630
advertised outside of the guys who were

1978
01:35:36,430 --> 01:35:33,860
briefed for that air defense exercise so

1979
01:35:39,729 --> 01:35:36,440
somehow that object knew where that

1980
01:35:42,670 --> 01:35:39,739
point was yeah and that's something I

1981
01:35:44,350 --> 01:35:42,680
can't I can't solve yet yeah

1982
01:35:46,209 --> 01:35:44,360
yeah that that seems like it's one of

1983
01:35:50,830 --> 01:35:46,219
the big the big mysteries of this whole

1984
01:35:55,180 --> 01:35:50,840
thing yes and because how the heck would

1985
01:35:56,800 --> 01:35:55,190
it know to go there unless unless they

1986
01:35:59,370 --> 01:35:56,810
were all over the place but still I mean

1987
01:36:03,010 --> 01:35:59,380
this is a specific pinpointed place

1988
01:36:05,860 --> 01:36:03,020
exactly and even if it was our

1989
01:36:07,050 --> 01:36:05,870
technology yeah there's still no reason

1990
01:36:09,450 --> 01:36:07,060
anybody off

1991
01:36:12,960 --> 01:36:09,460
that ship would have had that point yeah

1992
01:36:16,880 --> 01:36:12,970
and I think that was a since we both

1993
01:36:20,610 --> 01:36:16,890
watched the same video with the former

1994
01:36:22,290 --> 01:36:20,620
intelligence person supposedly that was

1995
01:36:25,410 --> 01:36:22,300
talking about this he was saying that's

1996
01:36:27,450 --> 01:36:25,420
that's the evidence that the it's Air

1997
01:36:30,000 --> 01:36:27,460
Force right did me say something like

1998
01:36:32,700 --> 01:36:30,010
that yeah relatively but that's all

1999
01:36:34,860 --> 01:36:32,710
problem is there was no reason for that

2000
01:36:37,590 --> 01:36:34,870
information to be sent off the ship yeah

2001
01:36:39,720 --> 01:36:37,600
unless it was a joint exercise with the

2002
01:36:43,440 --> 01:36:39,730
Air Force they would never know that

2003
01:36:47,610 --> 01:36:43,450
yeah and it and I think he was saying it

2004
01:36:49,800 --> 01:36:47,620
was a joint situation but only the above

2005
01:36:50,280 --> 01:36:49,810
tiers knew about it you know that type

2006
01:36:55,950 --> 01:36:50,290
of thing

2007
01:37:00,210 --> 01:36:55,960
and but I mean as far as just say the

2008
01:37:02,640 --> 01:37:00,220
devil's advocate the commanding officer

2009
01:37:04,380 --> 01:37:02,650
would he be setting these points or

2010
01:37:07,110 --> 01:37:04,390
would he know anything about these cap

2011
01:37:09,390 --> 01:37:07,120
points depending what commanding officer

2012
01:37:11,760 --> 01:37:09,400
you're talking about the the skipper of

2013
01:37:15,030 --> 01:37:11,770
the Nimitz job we mount the skipper of

2014
01:37:17,670 --> 01:37:15,040
the Princeton probably not the Hawkeye

2015
01:37:20,700 --> 01:37:17,680
crew would know where that point is yeah

2016
01:37:23,460 --> 01:37:20,710
the people flying and that exercise

2017
01:37:26,670 --> 01:37:23,470
would know where that point is that's it

2018
01:37:29,310 --> 01:37:26,680
they have a handful of briefings before

2019
01:37:31,080 --> 01:37:29,320
they go flying you know they were

2020
01:37:32,790 --> 01:37:31,090
briefed by themselves they will brief

2021
01:37:35,340 --> 01:37:32,800
with the other pilots they agree because

2022
01:37:36,960 --> 01:37:35,350
sometimes it's quat other squadrons so

2023
01:37:38,820 --> 01:37:36,970
they you know go over to one of the

2024
01:37:41,280 --> 01:37:38,830
other ready rooms and briefs now and

2025
01:37:43,260 --> 01:37:41,290
eventually the whole little group for

2026
01:37:45,330 --> 01:37:43,270
that whole training evolution all get

2027
01:37:48,090 --> 01:37:45,340
together and that's when that stuff is

2028
01:37:53,300 --> 01:37:48,100
decided and they already little

2029
01:37:56,190 --> 01:37:53,310
notebooks and go about their day yeah I

2030
01:37:58,580 --> 01:37:56,200
guess the one last question I have we're

2031
01:38:00,600 --> 01:37:58,590
getting near the end of the show here is

2032
01:38:03,930 --> 01:38:00,610
well it's not necessarily my last

2033
01:38:05,940 --> 01:38:03,940
question but a portion is the

2034
01:38:10,800 --> 01:38:05,950
information that they could have gotten

2035
01:38:12,330 --> 01:38:10,810
off of as you call them bricks but with

2036
01:38:14,940 --> 01:38:12,340
that if you actually had that

2037
01:38:18,030 --> 01:38:14,950
information yourself would that just be

2038
01:38:20,040 --> 01:38:18,040
more solidifying of this whole case I

2039
01:38:20,940 --> 01:38:20,050
mean could you actually see what was

2040
01:38:22,200 --> 01:38:20,950
going on by

2041
01:38:25,410 --> 01:38:22,210
with that information that showed the

2042
01:38:28,920 --> 01:38:25,420
radar basically on that I mean

2043
01:38:30,830 --> 01:38:28,930
ultimately what was recorded was not

2044
01:38:34,110 --> 01:38:30,840
only what the sensors on the Hawkeye saw

2045
01:38:36,450 --> 01:38:34,120
but because of datalink and multiple

2046
01:38:38,100 --> 01:38:36,460
data links it also saw with the

2047
01:38:40,380 --> 01:38:38,110
Princeton saw it also saw what the

2048
01:38:43,760 --> 01:38:40,390
Princeton saw or the the fighter saw and

2049
01:38:47,460 --> 01:38:43,770
the Nimitz saw all of that was tied into

2050
01:38:51,540 --> 01:38:47,470
the Hawkeye so I would have Seaton a big

2051
01:38:55,530 --> 01:38:51,550
picture of never going on you know yeah

2052
01:38:57,180 --> 01:38:55,540
there were ground stations in Southern

2053
01:38:59,130 --> 01:38:57,190
California that were tied into a network

2054
01:39:04,230 --> 01:38:59,140
so we would have seen what they were

2055
01:39:06,870 --> 01:39:04,240
seeing well all but specifically if I

2056
01:39:09,090 --> 01:39:06,880
had that data and I had the ability to

2057
01:39:11,850 --> 01:39:09,100
record it and make a copy of it I wish

2058
01:39:12,180 --> 01:39:11,860
to this day I did but I didn't know any

2059
01:39:14,730 --> 01:39:12,190
better

2060
01:39:19,650 --> 01:39:14,740
yeah you know it means a specific

2061
01:39:21,690 --> 01:39:19,660
machine to to read the data but if I had

2062
01:39:25,350 --> 01:39:21,700
acted that machine I could put it in and

2063
01:39:29,270 --> 01:39:25,360
from second zero zero one of that flight

2064
01:39:32,490 --> 01:39:29,280
to however long it took I could see

2065
01:39:35,040 --> 01:39:32,500
everything they saw and just by clicking

2066
01:39:38,660 --> 01:39:35,050
certain things I could check what data

2067
01:39:41,250 --> 01:39:38,670
they saw what they looked at you know

2068
01:39:42,810 --> 01:39:41,260
what rate I was tracking if the rate I

2069
01:39:44,480 --> 01:39:42,820
lost it if the rate I thought it was

2070
01:39:49,320 --> 01:39:44,490
being jammed etcetera etcetera etcetera

2071
01:39:53,400 --> 01:39:49,330
there's a tremendous amount of

2072
01:39:55,320 --> 01:39:53,410
information on those bricks alone that

2073
01:39:59,160 --> 01:39:55,330
may not solve every problem but could

2074
01:40:03,660 --> 01:39:59,170
answer a ton of questions well about

2075
01:40:10,470 --> 01:40:03,670
these and knowing that where that data

2076
01:40:14,040 --> 01:40:10,480
went to get worse because somebody used

2077
01:40:16,710 --> 01:40:14,050
that data to answer more questions that

2078
01:40:20,130 --> 01:40:16,720
would be haven't seen to brief people

2079
01:40:21,960 --> 01:40:20,140
about what this was you know what other

2080
01:40:24,290 --> 01:40:21,970
information that they have to go along

2081
01:40:28,500 --> 01:40:24,300
with all the data that they took from me

2082
01:40:32,370 --> 01:40:28,510
right yeah no it's fascinating now there

2083
01:40:33,960 --> 01:40:32,380
was one someone had mentioned and I

2084
01:40:34,689 --> 01:40:33,970
don't know if this is backed up at all

2085
01:40:37,689 --> 01:40:34,699
we only get them in

2086
01:40:39,969 --> 01:40:37,699
here but was did the tic-tac actually

2087
01:40:42,430 --> 01:40:39,979
block radar or was there any of that or

2088
01:40:45,969 --> 01:40:42,440
is that just a rumor I think it's just a

2089
01:40:47,649 --> 01:40:45,979
rumor there's no indication I'm a

2090
01:40:50,049 --> 01:40:47,659
Hawkeye that was being jammed

2091
01:40:53,020 --> 01:40:50,059
there's no indications on anything I

2092
01:40:56,620 --> 01:40:53,030
have access to that indicated anything

2093
01:40:58,750 --> 01:40:56,630
was being jabbed I see all right hey PJ

2094
01:41:01,719 --> 01:40:58,760
it's been really great talking to you

2095
01:41:03,250 --> 01:41:01,729
tonight thank you so much thank you all

2096
01:41:05,410 --> 01:41:03,260
right I really appreciate coming on your

2097
01:41:07,060 --> 01:41:05,420
show and all that you've done and you

2098
01:41:09,520 --> 01:41:07,070
coming forward and all that means a lot

2099
01:41:12,339 --> 01:41:09,530
to a lot of people yes sir have a good

2100
01:41:14,859 --> 01:41:12,349
night all right take care all right all

2101
01:41:17,290 --> 01:41:14,869
right everyone so that's it for the show

2102
01:41:18,699 --> 01:41:17,300
tonight thank you so much for listening

2103
01:41:22,739 --> 01:41:18,709
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2104
01:41:26,770 --> 01:41:22,749
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01:41:29,680 --> 01:41:26,780
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2106
01:41:32,560 --> 01:41:29,690
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